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- From: 01crmeyer@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Craig Meyer)
- Newsgroups: sci.energy
- Subject: Continuing Steam-Car Discussion
- Message-ID: <1992Nov19.090350.12088@bsu-ucs>
- Date: 19 Nov 92 14:03:50 GMT
- References: <1992Nov17.071642.22601@leland.Stanford.EDU> <1992Nov17.180135.25760@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> <1992Nov18.192113.12389@ke4zv.uucp>
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- > Steam engines normally use the wet steam as a cylinder lubricant.
- > No additional oils are required. The "rings" are normally leather
- > wetted by the steam. In old locomotives, they lasted 6 months of
- > *continous* hard pulling between servicing. Remember that a piston
- > steam engine develops maximum torque at stall and is a low RPM
- > device. Bearing lubrication can be a simple drip oiler.
-
- All I know is that the passage about the GM SE 101 steam car (in an
- industrical-arts textbook) said that they had to mix the lubricants with the
- steam at "elevated temperatures and pressures" and then separate it from the
- steam before heating.
-
- And that thing ran at just 370C (My mistake saying it was 700C)
-
- This may be good news, though, in that they WERE able to deal with it. It may
- have been tricky, but they were SUCCESSFUL in lubricating the engine, albeit
- further development could perfect the system.
-
- Does this offset one of the big problems of 800C steam--lubrication?
-
- Could corrosion be successfully fought with newer corrosion-resistant
- materials?
-
-
- > That's hard to say. The very best superheat compound cycle steam plants
- > have an efficiency of around 50% while the best IC engines have an
- > efficiency around 28%. To approach a big compound plant in a car though,
- > that would be really tough. I'd *guess* from what I've read that the
- > steam plant would be about 30% worse than the IC plant for the same
- > peak horsepower. One thing should be noted, however, the characteristics
- > of the two engines are wildly different and a lower peak horsepower steam
- > plant should offer the same driving characteristics as a bigger IC plant.
-
- That looks like a prescription for delivery vehicles & buses.
-
- Big-rigs would be big business, though. I know the Carnot equasion and all,
- but practically, would raising the working temperature from 370C to 800C have
- a drastic effect on efficiency. Carnot ideal for 370C: 36.7% Carnot ideal for
- 800C: 65.2%. (But if even the stationary plants have trouble cracking 50%, why
- should we do any better, eh?)
-
-
- >>3. Given a closed system is there a better choice of working fluid than
- >>water (Something that wouldn't freeze, and could act as a lubricant.)
- >
- > Higher molecular weight fluids wouldn't
- > develop as much pressure at the same temperature in a dynamic system.
-
- News flash, folks:
- Was leafing through a different book, trying to learn more about steam engines,
- and there was a little paragraph about a automotive plant that used "an organic
- fluid several times heavier than water" as a working fluid, which made for
- "a smaller power plant."
-
- I wonder just what it was!
-
- CM
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- Craig Meyer 01CRMEYER@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
- Indiana Academy for Science, Mathematics, and Humaities.
- Muncie, IN 47306 317-285-7433
-
- Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not necessarily
- shared by the Indiana Academy.
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