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- From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
- Subject: Re: Renewable energy from the sun
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.184208.11908@ke4zv.uucp>
- Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
- Organization: Gannett Technologies Group
- References: <1992Nov10.164755.8051@ke4zv.uucp> <28116@castle.ed.ac.uk> <1992Nov14.181007.17295@ke4zv.uucp> <1992Nov17.120226.29432@cs.rochester.edu>
- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:42:08 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov17.120226.29432@cs.rochester.edu> dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov14.181007.17295@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:
- >
- > >Our current energy consumption, from all sources, is 1/100,000th of
- > >the energy received by Earth from the Sun. That's 0.001%, the change
- >
- >Actually, more like 1/10,000.
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- Yearly solar influx is roughly 1.86E+18 watt-hours. World energy consumption
- is around 15E+12 watt-hours. That's roughly 1/100,000th. Where's my mistake?
-
- > >Your naive faith in the power of government directed R&D is touching,
- > >but there is *no* assurance that *any* amount of R&D funding can break
- > >fundamental Carnot limits on the low grade energy of diffuse sunlight.
- >
- >Actually, the "temperature" of sunlight is quite high, more than 5000
- >K. It is diffuse, yes, but its entropy is fairly low. If we could
- >collect sunlight at the Carnot limit at the earth's surface we could
- >convert more than 90% of its energy to work. The problem is one of
- >engineering and economics, not fundamental thermodynamic limits.
-
- It may not be "fundamental" but I haven't seen any process that raises
- a working fluid to anywhere near 5,000 K using the solar influx on
- anything but a tiny scale (IE solar furnace). The best large scale
- systems do well to reach 500 F. The Carnot limit for a heat engine
- is a ratio of inlet to outlet temperature of the *working* fluid.
-
- Gary
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