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- From: orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net (Orville R. Weyrich)
- Subject: Re: Setting HiFi system gain in amp feedback loop?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov23.093220.4724@weyrich.UUCP>
- Sender: orville@weyrich.UUCP (Orville R. Weyrich)
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- Organization: Weyrich Computer Consulting
- References: <1ecd3vINN16q@huon.itd.adelaide.edu.au>
- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 09:32:20 GMT
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- In article <1ecd3vINN16q@huon.itd.adelaide.edu.au> francis@cs.adelaide.edu.au writes:
- >A curious question has been nagging me. When one looks at a
- >HiFi system the signal levels are as a rule fairly low,
- >certainly domestic equipment is designed with levels
- >significanlty lower than professional equpiment, and a
- >domestic system is very rarely run with the volume knob
- >wound up all the way.
- >
- >Essentially the domestic system has fixed gain in the power
- >amp, but a considerable amount of attenuation in the signal
- >chain, in the form of the volume control. In a domestic
- >system the only role for the volume control is setting the
- >output level to the power amp.
- >
- >Another alternative is possible. Rather than use passive
- >attenuation to set the output level, why not run the signals
- >to the power amp at the line levels of the rest of the
- >system and then vary the gain of the amplifier? This
- >presupposes an amplifier designed using a fairly normal
- >feedback system.
- >
- >The charateristics of many passive components are not quite
- >linear at very low signal levels, keeping the signal level
- >high again helps amerliorate this a bit.
-
- Huh? passive == resistor, right? Are you saying that resistors
- are not linear at low levels?
-
- >The amplifier should have improved charateristics at low
- >gains. The ratio of open loop gain to closed loop gain will
- >increase at "ordinary" power levels and hence those
- >distortion elements decreased by the feedback system will be
- >correspondingly lower.
-
-
- If you are really serious about reducing distortion, you could run
- "sensor" wires to the speakers like high regulation power supplies do
- (but woe is you if the sensor circuit gets broken!)
-
- When I was young and idle :-) I used to think about embedding a
- feed-back sensor into the speaker itself to put the electromechanical
- portion into the feedback loop. I even have a Heathkit THD analyzer
- that I never built, because it needed a low distortion signal
- generator to set it up.
-
- >Disadvantages must include a potential loss of stability as
- >bits of the feedback loop have long wires attached to them.
- >Also if the potentiometer became worn there would be a real
- >danger of the feeback loop opening suddenly, leaving the amp
- >producing its open loop gain straight into the speakers.
- >Very nasty.
-
- Agreed. Current limiting [clipping] would help, as would a circuit
- that shuts down the amplifier if the DC conductivity of the feedback
- loop were broken. And also, using separate amplifiers for the bass
- and treble would help -- nothing worse than clipping the output
- of heavy bass notes to generate high energy harmonics that blow
- tweeters.
-
-
-
- orville
-
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