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- From: sug6@benedict.uchicago.edu (Patrick Sugent)
- Subject: Re: jobs, again
- Message-ID: <1992Nov19.231617.8530@midway.uchicago.edu>
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- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:16:17 GMT
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- nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
- >jfh@reef.cis.ufl.edu (James F. Hranicky - an innocent bystander) writes:
- >>Personally, I would advise college freshman to major in some computer
- >>related field (like me.)
- >
- > I hope it's not too late for him to reconsider his major: Total
- > employment by computer professionals in the US has dropped in
- > *each* of the last 4 years (i.e., since BEFORE the recession began)
- > and overall more jobs have been lost in the computer industry than
- > in the auto industry during the same time (source: EE Times). Right
- > now THE ONLY source that I've found projecting even *modest* growth
- > in computer-related jobs is Megan Barkume of the BLS (a *government*
- > agency, for Mr. Hranicky's information), and Barkume made the same
- > projection five years ago and we saw how that turned out!
- >
- Mr. Nelson, I strongly suspect that Mr. Hranicky means something
- different by "computer related" field than you do. According to
- my information (from the Labor department), your statistics are only
- true for what is technically the "computer industry". Since January
- of 1989 the "computer industry" has lost about 154,000 jobs. This is
- more than the auto industry (as you say). However, in 1991 (when
- it lost 15,000 jobs) most of the job loss was in administration,
- marketing, and support personnel.
-
- These losses have a great deal to do with the move away from expensive
- mainframe computers.
-
- However, here's the rub, the two most rapidly growing areas for
- computer specialist are not even related to the "computer industry" (from
- which you are getting your information). Computer programmers and
- systems analysts work in a variety of fields from financial services to
- manufacturing and are not counted as part of the "computer industry". People
- educated in computer science currently face unemployment rates of less
- than 2.5% nationwide. The Labor department estimates 56% growth in
- computer programmers by 2005 and 80% growth in systems analysts in the same
- time frame. This is 829,000 systems analysts and 565,000 computer programmers
- by 2005. You may take this estimates with as much salt as you like, but
- _current_ growth rates for these fields are high. Even that _Fortune_ article
- you recommended to me predicts high growth rates in this field.
-
- I really think you are confusing the issue by using what is technically
- classified as the "computer industry" to reflect the outlook for all
- "computer related" jobs as a layman would think of them.
-
- BTW, given the number of times we have gone around on this and the fact
- that you have a clear competitive advantage over me in terms of endurance
- posting :-) , I'll not be responding unless you put forth "new" information.
- Please don't take this as rude, just a desire to stop repeating myself.
-
-
- Pat
-
-
- --
- Patrick Sugent E-mail me if you really want
- sug6@amber.uchicago.edu a response. My USENET reading
- (708) 447-1771 is haphazard at best.
-