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- From: ted@nmsu.edu (Classic Ted)
- Subject: Re: Triple DES
- In-Reply-To: unruh@physics.ubc.ca's message of 20 Nov 1992 04:50:53 GMT
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- In article <1ehqrdINN1f9@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> unruh@physics.ubc.ca (William Unruh) writes:
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- leichter@zodiac.rutgers.edu writes:
- >.... (Actually, "meet in the middle"
- >attacks show that double encryption, done this way, cannot be MUCH stronger
- >than single encryption - though it may be SOMEWHAT stronger.)
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- > -- Jerry
- Since the total number of possible encrypting functions of 64 bits is
- something like (2^64)!, and there are only 2^56 DES encryption
- functions and multiple DES is half the set of all encryptions, I would
- expect (naively) that double encryption would essentially be as strong
- as a key with 2*56=112 bits, unless DES is almost a group ( ie most
- double encryptions yield the same encryption as some single DES). Why is
- this argument wrong, or is DES almost a group in the above sense?
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- des^2 could well be a simpler system than des. as leichter mentioned
- in his posting, this would mean that des itself was weak because the
- attacker could add a secondary encryption and then attack the
- concatenation. on the other hand, only an attacker who knew that
- des^2 was weak would ever think of making such an attack.
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