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- From: ctdonath@gnat.syr.EDU (Carl T. Donath)
- Subject: Re: Cryptology and criminals
- Message-ID: <CTDONATH.92Nov19113127@gnat.syr.EDU>
- In-reply-to: linnoise@bigboy's message of 18 Nov 92 04:59:22 GMT
- Organization: Syracuse University
- References: <BxL7DM.7n@newsflash.concordia.ca>
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- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 11:46:16 EST
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- From: linnoise@bigboy (LineNoise)
-
- Why must things be taken to extremes? Technology that is primarily used to
- bring harm to people or avoid law enforcement agencies should be limited in
- their distribution and monitored closely. We don't want offensive nuclear
- capability to spread to unstable nations or handguns to be given to people
- with a history of violent crime(s) or mental instability. On the other hand
- we want to keep the right to bear arms and use them in self defense and
- promote
- the use of nuclear technology when it comes to non-destructive purposes. The
- same holds with cryptography-- limit it so that the abuse by criminals and
- other hostile bodies will have the capability to misuse it. Allow only those
- ^^^^^^^^^^
- encryption methods defeatable by the law enforcement agencies to distributed
- and outlaw the distribution of more powerful methods. And enforce laws that
- ^^^^^^^^^^
- will help protect the common man's privacy from those who have no business
- in decrypting his data.
-
-
- Yes, these are the ideal goals for a safe world. There are, unfortunately,
- two devestating problems with trying to make this happen. Come up with an
- effective solution to these and you'll win a Nobel Peace Prize.
-
- 1. Criminals don't obey laws.
-
- If the government decides that I am a criminal and should not be permitted to
- own a copy of PGP, it won't matter. I'll still have a copy (stored on an
- easily concealable floppy), and my situation will motivate me to use it even
- more.
-
- Precedent: cocaine is illegal to posess, use, sell and transport, yet
- anyone who wants it can get it.
-
- As tired and worn out as it is, the quote "if <x> is outlawed, only
- outlaws will have <x>" is absolutely true.
-
- 2. Who gets to decide the law?
-
- Real government leaders are not ideal. They are normal people who have been
- given great power. Who are they to, on their whim, decide that I cannot
- protect myself against eavesdroppers? What if, for a truly good and noble
- reason, I want to encrypt something such that law enforcement agencies cannot
- defeat the encryption? Keep in mind, everyone (including government agents)
- has their own ultierior motives and may or may not have your (or my) best
- interests in mind. A relevant quote from the Hitchiker's Guide: "Who gets to
- rule if no one who wants to should be allowed to?"
-
-
-
- I've been seeing this basic discussion over and over on sci.crypt & talk.
- politics.guns. They all come down to the same problem:
-
- Person 1: "<X> can, and is, used to cause pain and suffering.
- Thus, it should be regulated or banned."
-
- Person 2: "<X> can, and is, used to prevent pain and suffering.
- Thus, anyone should be allowed to own/use it."
-
- Whether <X> is banned or free, someone will get hurt.
-
- Welcome to reality.
-
- --
- __________/ ctdonath@rodan.acs.syr.edu Carl T Donath \________________
- / Why do people assume that this is the first time things have ever \
- / been this way and things will stay this way forever? \
-