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- From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner)
- Subject: Re: A new encryption problem?
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- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:09:59 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov16.225122.2607@cactus.org> ritter@cactus.org (Terry Ritter) writes:
- > Conclusion: Strong cryptography as a social issue is indeed a
- > modern situation.
- >>Why should this suddenly be a problem?
- > ^^^^^^^^
- > See above.
- This reminds me of the copyright issue with xerox machines.
- I recall a time when I was back in college that it was illegal
- to photocopy copyrighted works. Everyone did it. It was unstoppable
- so they changed the law. When EVERYBODY is a criminal NOBODY is a
- criminal. The same thing will happen with crypto. Even the big bad
- New World Order (TM) couldn't have locked us all up and even that is
- history now. (Ah, sweet justice! ;-)).
-
- > What I want is for people who are interested in cryptography to
- > be prepared to answer a call for legislation, should it occur
- > (as I expect that it will).
- Massive disobedience would suffice.
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- >And it really is impossible to truly
- >understand issues without paying the opponents the respect of
- >trying to understand their point of view.
- Try as I might I can't understand David Duke. ;-) I'm sorry Terry
- but this Big Brother is our rightful master stuff is just too
- far off in the weeds. Not only is key registration evil, it is
- unenforceable and it doesn't matter how many Quislings try to
- defend it---those facts won't change.
-
- >I believe there is at least a potential for some serious social
- >problems which are a direct consequence of the widespread use of
- >serious cryptography.
- Doesn't this argument sound like a luddite argument to you Terry?
-
- > I believe we would be well advised to
- > seek out these problems and understand them and propose solutions
- > we can live with, as opposed to waiting for the rest of society
- > to encounter problems and then impose *their* solutions on us.
- I haven't heard a single argument that worried me about the
- widespread use of cryptography. Everything that has been mentioned
- so far has been pretty unscary I would say. There's no future in
- fretting about the future. ;-) Technology has proven pretty unstoppable
- so far. It has even proven rather hard to stop in countries that have
- a long and bloody history of oppression. (See the IEEE Spectrum
- article a couple issues ago that mentioned the impact of electronic
- mail on the Soviet Coup).
-
- I don't know how to get this across to you Terry but the toothpaste
- is very much out of the tube now and there is no way of legislating
- this technology away. The tools are just too necessary to the smooth
- functioning of the economy. Even if the government wanted to take
- away all the tools they couldn't without plunging the economy into
- a tailspin. George Bush can tell you how important the economy is
- to re-election. ;-)
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