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- From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner)
- Subject: Re: Demons and Ogres
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- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:28:27 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov17.001009.26363@rchland.ibm.com> lwloen@vnet.ibm.com writes:
- >Sure, concerns do exist. Law enforcement has some hard problems.
- >But, most of the Bill of Rights is _not there_ to make the job of
- >the cops easy; it is explicitly there to make it harder.
- Bravo!!! Thank you so much for saying it like it is!
-
- >There's no delusion, here. Use of cryptography by out-and-out
- >criminals _is_ beyond government control. So, why is it that only
- >law abiding citizens are under the thumb of law enforcement and
- >only other governments and the mafia get to keep their secrets?
- Exactly!!
-
- >It is not in _government's_ long term interest to surpress private
- >thought. But, government on a day to day basis could care less about
- >the long run. Haven't you heard of "thought crime?" The idea is alive
- >and well and you seem bound and determined to help government
- >create and enforce it.
- Yes. And the net.quislings are ready to be their handmaidens.
-
-
- >It is probably true that the government can detect my use of crypto
- >and throw me in jail. That is a practical reality. But, hey, no one
- >ever said that the First Amendment ever came free. Almost every
- >freedom we enjoy has and will continue to have a few poor souls going
- >to jail for it.
- Thank you so much for saying this. Maybe sacrifices for freedom are
- NOT just for pretty speeches on Veterans Day after all. You don't
- know how happy it makes me to hear you say this. In the future very
- little blood will be shed by freedom lovers but sacrifice will still be
- necessary. It makes me very happy to see that there still are
- folks here that know that and believe in freedom.
-
- >Rights are not free. They have to be fought for. Why are you helping
- >the cops? Why are you assuming they will win? Why are you assuming
- >their interests and yours always coincide? Or, do you really believe
- >that cryptography is inherently dangerous?
- Right on Larry. You can't imagine how glad I am to see others
- take Terry to task for selling freedom short.
-
-
- smg
-
-