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- From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)
- Subject: Re: What's the Deal?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov23.212940.16372@shearson.com>
- Sender: news@shearson.com (News)
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- References: <92323.111631JPS127@psuvm.psu.edu>
- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:29:40 GMT
- Lines: 56
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- JPS127@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
-
- >I just don't get it, is this line a support group for you people?
- >I'm gener- ally very open minded but I just don't see how you people
- >can fall for such a pie in the sky idea. Honestly, I don't believe
- >in cryonics and technology be damned I don't think revival is
- >possible.
-
- Well, you can always stop reading the newsgroup. No one forces you to
- stick around here. However, you make some substantive, and false,
- claims, so I thought I'd bring them up.
-
- >I understand your arguement that people will only be revived when the
- >proper advances have been made to insure a cure for the cause of
- >death has been found, and in most cases I believe that cures will
- >(someday) be found. However, I do not believe that any technology
- >(nanotechnology included) will ever be able to reconstruct the damage
- >a body will sustain during the freezing and storage pro- cesses.
- >Certainly efforts can be made to reduce the amount of freezing
- >damage, but as for storing, and I hate to be the first one to point
- >this out to you, we are highly ordered beings. Entropy always wins!
- >Certainly it is possible to freeze tissue to a level where
- >biodegradation is a minimum, but chemical change will have to occur -
- >or are you frozen to 0K? Yes low temperature will slow any chemical
- >process but not enough over time.
-
- Sorry, but this is a claim one can check. It turns out that even using
- pessimistic models, at liquid nitrogen temperatures we have centuries
- before reactions in the patient will have advanced as far as they
- would go in mere minutes at room temperature. You'd be suprised at how
- slow things can actually get. If you want, I will dig out an article
- on precisely how slow things get.
-
- >No technology will be able to repare molecular structures.
-
- This is also provably false -- your own body contains systems for
- repairing molecular structures, and does so every day.
-
-
- >Macroscopically it is possible to freeze and thaw tissue, I've got a
- >steak in my freezer that's been there for a year and I'm sure that
- >when I thaw and cook it the taste will be fine. But microscopically,
- >I just don't think so!
-
- Well, consider that there are lots of children alive today that
- spent some part of their lives frozen -- as embryos kept at liquid
- nitrogen temperatures. Small enough organisms handle being frozen just
- fine if properly prepared. The question is, I will grant you, whether
- large organisms can do the same. However, there is good evidence for
- our position.
-
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