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- From: tsf@CS.CMU.EDU (Timothy Freeman)
- Subject: Re: Cryonics, etc
- In-Reply-To: wk5w@brain.med.virginia.edu's message of Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:23:15 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov18.172315.4561@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> wk5w@brain.med.virginia.edu (William Katz) writes:
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- I would have a problem with freezing individuals before death.
- The reason is the destruction of the grieving process for the patient and
- his/her loved ones. If the freezee has no loved ones that would require
- a grieving process, see the problems mentioned below.
-
- Sounds like you value the emotions of those still living more than
- improving the chances of successfully resuscitating the dying. That
- would be okay if you were the one that was dying, but it sounds like
- you wish you had authority over others. You also have a very concrete
- model of how these emotions work; I claim that there will be enough
- individual variation that coercion to accomodate one model oppresses
- the majority of people whose emotions don't work that way.
-
- Beyond the technical issues though, what makes people think that the people
- of the future will *want* to spend the energy and resources to revive some
- relic from the past (unless they are your descendents)?
-
- That's my biggest question as well. I don't expect to predict the
- motives of those who may be reviving me, but I intend to to give them
- the option.
-
- We really shouldn't freeze before legal death. Why bother?
-
- Because the processes leading up to legal death may destroy the brain.
- For instance, consider a person who dies from a brain tumor. Instead
- of letting the person lay there in a coma while we wait for the tumor
- to eat up enough of his brain for legal death to occur, it would be
- better to do the suspension once the person enters a coma that it's
- reasonably sure they won't recover from, assuming we got consent
- before the person went into the coma, of course.
-
- Another reason is that legal death is a bureaucratic criterion that
- may be achieved hours after clinical death.
-
- But, of course, it is illegal to do it the ideal way, so the cryonics
- organizations wait for clinical death.
-
-
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- Tim Freeman <tsf@cs.cmu.edu> CompuServe ID 71045,2267 checked occasionally.
- When they took the fourth amendment, I was silent because I don't deal drugs.
- When they took the sixth amendment, I kept quiet because I know I'm innocent.
- When they took the second amendment, I said nothing because I don't own a gun.
- Now they've come for the first amendment, and I can't say anything at all.
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