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- From: JPS127@psuvm.psu.edu
- Newsgroups: sci.cryonics
- Subject: What's the Deal?
- Message-ID: <92323.111631JPS127@psuvm.psu.edu>
- Date: 18 Nov 92 16:16:31 GMT
- Article-I.D.: psuvm.92323.111631JPS127
- Organization: Penn State University
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- I just don't get it, is this line a support group for you people? I'm gener-
- ally very open minded but I just don't see how you people can fall for such a
- pie in the sky idea. Honestly, I don't believe in cryonics and technology be
- damned I don't think revival is possible.
- I understand your arguement that people will only be revived when the proper
- advances have been made to insure a cure for the cause of death has been found,
- and in most cases I believe that cures will (someday) be found. However, I do
- not believe that any technology (nanotechnology included) will ever be able to
- reconstruct the damage a body will sustain during the freezing and storage pro-
- cesses. Certainly efforts can be made to reduce the amount of freezing damage,
- but as for storing, and I hate to be the first one to point this out to you, we
- are highly ordered beings. Entropy always wins! Certainly it is possible to
- freeze tissue to a level where biodegradation is a minimum, but chemical change
- will have to occur - or are you frozen to 0K? Yes low temperature will slow
- any chemical process but not enough over time. No technology will be able to
- repare molecular structures.
- Macroscopically it is possible to freeze and thaw tissue, I've got a steak in
- my freezer that's been there for a year and I'm sure that when I thaw and cook
- it the taste will be fine. But microscopically, I just don't think so! Let's
- not even consider the bursting of lysozymes and their enzymatic distruction of
- all cellular components - I'll assume you guys have that one figured out - let
- us consider instead the stress and strain placed on all cell constituents when
- they enter and leave the crystal lattice. Possibly some of the organelles can
- survive, but all? I have a hard time believing that.
- Another point, religious beliefs. I am not at all religious, but I would
- assume that some of you are. When exactly does heaven come into play? Do you
- go to heaven for a little bit until you're thawed an then return. Theologians
- would love that one. Perhaps you don't go to heaven until some mortal thaws
- you out and your soul is released, but then your soul probably would have been
- released when you died in the first place. I'm sure there are other explain-
- ations, but I don't have them. If God does not exist, then this is no big
- deal, but if He does......
- Finally, how can you be sure you'll be revived, what if it's just a big scam.
- Medical doctors know that they will be around to suffer the consiquences if a
- mistake is made, cryonics people - if it is a scam - know they'll be long dead
- before anything is discovered, and whose going to discover it any way, some
- dead guy in a block of ice - like hes in the position to do anything about it.
- Answer my post, convince me, and I'll go along quietly. Like I said, I'm
- open minded - you just better have the answers I need.
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- - James P. Smith -
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