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- From: pcollac@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Paul Collacchi)
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- Subject: Re: Folk Theories of Meaning (was re: Theories of meaning not relying solely on sym)
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- Date: 19 Nov 92 19:38:10 GMT
- References: <1992Nov15.172021.17474@husc3.harvard.edu> <1992Nov16.125741.22619@news.Hawaii.Edu> <1992Nov16.122343.17501@husc3.harvard.edu> <1992Nov17.134024.1624@sol.cs.wmich.edu>
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- In article <1992Nov17.134024.1624@sol.cs.wmich.edu>,
- brewer@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Steve Brewer) writes:
- |> In article <1992Nov16.122343.17501@husc3.harvard.edu>
- |> zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
- |> >
- |> >If you don't feel that being bound by
- |> >logic is a *moral* obligation, would you still have any basis for a
- |> >reasonable expectation that your tooting your car's horn at a bunch of
- |> >Samoan Hell's Angels does not *mean* your informed consent for them to
- |> >peel off your skin and rip out your heart? Do you have a glimmer of
- |> >understanding that your human rights are not worth the market value of
- |> >the chemicals that comprise your anatomy, *if* there be no such things
- |> >as matters of fact about meaning?
- |>
-
- Our lives are not worth the market value of the chemicals which comprise
- our anatomy. Life is snuffed out constantly, without sentiment and for
- no reason. Each of us will go this way. The issue, as I see it, is not
- to go about letting our stupid, little logical egos tell us how
- important we are, but to *get* how absolutely unimportant we are, and in
- so doing, come to cherish each breath that continues us, for none are
- guaranteed and our continued existence is largely beyond our control,
- and mighty logic is utterly powerless to change that.
-
- |> It seems to me that this statement mixes several immiscible issues.
- |> Let us remember that human rights are based on a *committment* to
- |> logic. We shouldn't believe that logic is fundamentally 'right' or
- |> something. Most evidence I've seen indicates that very few people
- |> use logic or fundamentally rational thinking for most decision-making.
- |>
-
- Quite right. I might point out that human rights are base on a
- comittment to human beings -- not to logic -- the underlying motivation
- for which is quite illogical. The system of arbitration by which the
- rights are adjudicated is "somewhat" reasonable.
-
- Reason can never tell you what is right or important, and there is no
- such thing as a rational decision or rational behavior, since these must
- accept as a premise that a particular outcome or particular constraint
- is 'good' or 'important' and this can never be 'proved.' I am far more
- prone to use 'intuition' or 'intelligence' than logic which is
- frequently worthless.
-
- Logic and reason are fine. No need to start deifying them.
-
- Paul Collacchi
-