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- From: cash@convex.com (Peter Cash)
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- Subject: Re: Theories of meaning
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.212621.20707@news.eng.convex.com>
- Date: 16 Nov 92 21:26:21 GMT
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- In article <peeters.721793198@tasman> peeters@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (bert peeters) writes:
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- ...
-
- >People who propose theories have reasons to do so - at least one would
- >expect that to be the case.
-
- To be sure. The question remains: are these good reasons?
-
- >One of the reasons why there should be
- >theories of meaning is that people who talk about meaning (don't we all?)
- >want to make sure they get their point across. They want to make sure that
- >others know how they use the word. That requires a theory.
-
- You seem to be saying that in order to understand what is said whenever the
- word "meaning" comes up, one must have a "theory of meaning". I'm not clear
- about this. Is "meaning" a very special word, or are theories required to
- understand every word? Do I, for example, have to have a theory of
- elephants before I can understand talk in which "elephant" comes up?
-
- Moreover, if understanding talk about "meaning" requires the adoption of
- some theory of meaning, then it would follow that philosophers can seldom
- understand each other when they talk about this subject, since there have
- been many and various theories of meaning. Thus, philosophers who hold
- different theories must be talking about different things when they discuss
- "meaning"; they only think they are talking to each other about the same
- thing.
-
- I had thought that theories of meaning are not constructed so much to help
- philosophers understand each other's talk about "meaning", but because
- philosophers have a deep conviction that, one the one hand, there is
- "meaning" and one the other, there is "language". The theory explicates the
- precise relation of the two; its function is not to define words, or to lay
- a foundation for discourse about meaning.
-
- >I did NOT insist that there are reasons to formulate theories of meaning - I
- >took that for granted. ...
-
- I thought it might be interesting to ask you _why_ you take this for
- granted. Is there some innate joy in formulating theories? Are they perhaps
- aesthetic objects that we admire for their beauty? Or does this theory have
- some _use_? If the answer is, "well, if you have to ask, then you can't
- understand", then I will, of course, have to desist from my questioning.
- Formulating theories of meaning is, perhaps, a natural urge that some
- people have and that can't be explained further. Those who don't get the
- urge can't expect to participate.
-
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