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- From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
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- Subject: Re: Theories of meaning not relying solely on sym
- Message-ID: <1992Nov15.172021.17474@husc3.harvard.edu>
- Date: 15 Nov 92 22:20:20 GMT
- References: <1992Nov11.153723.16796@news.unige.ch> <1992Nov13.100925.2924@news.Hawaii.Edu> <28179@castle.ed.ac.uk>
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- In article <28179@castle.ed.ac.uk>
- cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:
-
- >In article <1992Nov13.100925.2924@news.Hawaii.Edu>
- >lee@Hawaii.Edu (Greg Lee) writes:
-
- GL:
- >>Paraphrases are expressions that mean the
- >>same thing, so there must be a thing that they mean, and once we've
- >>found it, we'll know why they are paraphrases.
-
- CM:
- >Reification rides again! Why must there be such a thing? Why could not
- >paraphrases be identifiable simply by a certain kind of transformation
- >capable of turning one into another?
-
- This is a bogus objection, Chris. Once your theory identifies the said
- transformations, it is a short step indeed to characterize restricted
- versions thereof, which will be bijections in extension. Then you will
- want to talk about equivalence classes under the induced relation,
- thereby committing yourself to abstract propositions and concepts.
-
- In general, reification is unavoidable under any reasonable view of
- ontological commitment. Even that classic would-be example of gratuitous
- reification of "sakes" from the use of locutions like "for the sake of
- X", or "for its own sake" is perfectly reasonable, nay, unavoidable, in
- any systematic discussion of teleological theory of value.
-
- >--
- >Chris Malcolm cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh +44 (0)31 650 3085
- >Department of Artificial Intelligence, Edinburgh University
- >5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK DoD #205
-
- cordially,
- mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
- "Un de mes plus grands plaisirs est de jurer Dieu quand je bande."
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