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- From: mcdonald@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (J. D. McDonald)
- Subject: Re: Prism Diagonals vs. Mirror Diagonals
- References: <1992Nov17.202457.10444@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> <2800016@hpgrla.gr.hp.com>
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- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:14:50 GMT
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- In article <2800016@hpgrla.gr.hp.com> edb@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Ed Beshore) writes:
-
- >In sci.astro, dave@canopus.as.arizona.edu (David A. Harvey) writes:
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-
- >>All you opticians out there -
-
- >>I'm confused. Reading some of the ads in Orion Mail Order Catalog, I get
- >>the impression that Coated prism diagonals for telescopes are "better" than
- >>First Surface diagonals.
-
- > I'm going to go out ona limb here, but I'm guessing that with true binoculars
- > you must have two diagonals per "telescope" to bring the views together. Maintaining
- > alignment of the diagonals would be tough, especially with the closed optics.
- > Prisms, while more expensive, can be solidly mounted and would require less complicated
- > adjustment.
-
- > In most cases, you would probably loose less light with first surface diagonals.
-
-
- Prism versus mirror diagonals ... a tough question.
-
- Pro mirror: 1) only one surface, therefore no secondary reflections. If
- the diagonal is noty antoreflection coated these can be quite
- bad. Even coated they are noticeable on bright stars.
- 2) no aberration introduced ... assuming a flat surface.
-
- Con mirror: 3) Plain aluminized/SiO overcoat mirrors only reflect 85% or so.
- However, enhanced aluminum gets up to 96% at the peak
- of the eye's spectral response curve (but is worse in UV).
- Overcoated silver (MgF2 or better ThF4) reflects 99%
- across the visible but is dead as a doornail in the UV. It
- does not tarnish but is very fragile, and is not available
- any more on the amateur market ... You would have to
- buy an uncoated mirror and have it coated at great expense.
-
- Pro prism: 1) With a three layer antireflection coating on the input
- and output faces, they will transmit >98% average in the
- visible, which is excellent. Uncoated, they transmit
- about 93 or 94%.
-
- Con prism: 1) They have a limited f/number unless coated with aluminum on
- the hypotenuse, which ruins the transmission. I suspect this
- to be a problem only at very low f/numbers.
-
- 2) They introduce aberrations; spherical aberration and
- chromatic aberration everywhere and astigmatism off center.
- This is zero problem at f/15, negligible at f/10, and
- a bit outside the diffraction limit at f/5. At f/3 it's bad.
-
- Bottom line: for an f/8 or slower scope, a tossup, which wins depends
- on the coating and surface quality. At f/4.5, get a diagonal.
-
- Doug McDonald
-