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- From: richmond@spiff.Princeton.EDU (Stupendous Man)
- Subject: Re: Supernova (Was Re: P/Swift-Tuttle at last!)
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- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:21:49 GMT
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- TW > (Tarl Neustaedter) writes:
- AW > (Aaron Wigley [Wigs]) writes:
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- AW > Then, all of a sudden I saw a very brief flash off centre from
- AW > one of the Clouds.
- AW > Until the next day, when I read about it in the newspaper. I happened to
- AW > have witnessed Supernova 1987A :-)
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- TW > If you saw a brief flash, it wasn't SN1987A. The neutrino flash was several
- TW > seconds long, and the visual portion would have taken hours for the
- TW > shockwave to arrive at the surface of the star. (Stellar atmospheres are
- TW > not transparent). Once the shockwave did arrive, the brightness increase
- TW > would be gradual, as larger and larger portions of the surface visible to
- TW > you showed the effects (it's a sphere, and the closest portion is light-
- TW > hours closer to you than the edge). After the effects hit the surface, the
- TW > brightness would not fall back - the gas is still hot and size is still
- TW > increasing due to the explosion.
-
- Actually, while Tarl has explained the slow, gradual brightening of a
- type II supernova nicely (except for the "light-hours bit" - the envelope
- of even the largest star is only light-minutes in radius),
- I believe that type II supernovae (like SN 1987A) may emit a very brief
- "flash" of energy soon after the core collapses. If I recall correctly,
- the "flash" is only a few seconds (minutes?) long and is composed of
- very high-energy photons, mostly X-rays (of course, there would be some
- visual photons emitted, too). I guess the "flash" is powered by the
- neutrino burst interacting with atoms in the outer envelope directly,
- since nothing else can get out of the core so quickly.
-
- This idea is based on a course I took with Richard Klein at UC Berkeley
- some years ago - we were trying to make a hydrodynamical model of a supernova
- explosion, and he mentioned this "flash" as an aside. I believe he said
- that he'd considered trying to find brief X-ray flashes in some satellite's
- records, but I'm not sure. In any case, we certainly do not have any
- direct evidence for such a "flash" from a known supernova (apart from Aaron's
- testimony, of course).
-
- Can anyone else back me up on this?
-
- --
- ----- Michael Richmond
- "This is the heart that broke my finger." richmond@astro.princeton.edu
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