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- From: mporter@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mitchell Porter)
- Subject: Re: William Irwin Thompson
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.050503.8856@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
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- Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
- References: <1992Nov11.024550.5168@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <-1364333748snx@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au>
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 05:05:03 GMT
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- gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) writes:
- >I trust you do not feel I am simply trying to take the mickey out of
- >your enquiry, Mitchell; I simply find such an exchange posted here to
- >sci.anthropology quite fascinating, as an anthropologist. Perhaps you
- >simply missed the point I first made.
- Yes, I hd missed all the posts made to sci.anthropology alone (the original
- thread was crossposted to many other groups and I had been following it
- elsewhere).
- >There is an ethnographic film by Frederick Wiseman, an ethnographer of
- >American Institutions, entitled "Primate" (early 1970s?). This film is
- >a study of the Yerkes Primate Research Centre in Atlanta, and while it
- >was very heavily criticised for not depicting its research programs as
- >whole scenes (so distorting the view of science), it did nevertheless
- >succeed in drawing out an extremely compelling irony in the backdrop
- >to the tension among the scientists working there, of primates kept in
- >cages.
- I'm not quite clear on what the irony was - are the scientists, too,
- "caged" in some sense? Or was their tension somehow analogous to tensions
- amongst the other primates (the ones in the cages)? (I haven't seen the film.)
- >Here on the Internet I find such clipped scenes being presented again
- >but apparently by scientists themselves, also having the effect of
- >heavily distorting the view of science, of a restricted, disjointed
- >and tense discourse lacking any context except that provided by a
- >backdrop of chatter.
- Is the similarity being suggested here that in the film, one saw in a
- disjointed fashion occasional dialogues between scientists against the
- "backdrop of chatter" [from the cages], and on the Internet, one sees
- occasional intellectual exchanges mostly swamped by babble?
- >I am quite worried about it, myself, when the dominant image being
- >presented to the Internet is not of scientists engaged in scholarly
- >pursuit, but of a duet of male peers posturing in readiness for an
- >exchange of blows.
-
- >It is interesting indeed that Professor John McCarthy responded as he
- >did, inviting challenge . . .
-
- >Why not the both of you just take this guy Thompson outside so you
- >can punch his head in?
- Hmm. Regarding John McCarthy's original post, I at first thought the tone
- was somewhat hostile, but he did say that Thompson's essay contained
- "acute observations" as well, so perhaps he simply writes in a forthright
- fashion whether praising or denigrating. As for taking Thompson outside
- so I can punch his head in, on the whole I LIKE his ideas - I think you
- may have misjudged *something* in what I wrote, or you were keen to drive
- home the analogy between intellectual debate on the Internet and primate
- emotional/territorial politics.
-