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- From: anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo)
- Subject: Re: Violation of Netiqutte (was: Stan - Hatred is unbecoming)
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- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 17:57:22 GMT
- Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
- References: <ardq09m@lynx.unm.edu> <1992Nov12.210927.20324@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> <1992Nov16.182846.6058@tamsun.tamu.edu>
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- In article <1992Nov16.182846.6058@tamsun.tamu.edu> wjh0265@tamsun.tamu.edu (William Hobson) writes:
- >I echo Stan's words - just because I disagree with the Gay Rights Movements
- >agenda, it does not mean I have "hatred" in my heart. I am a Bible believing
- >Christian and I learn from there (the Bible) that homosexuality is wrong.
- >This does not mean that I hate homosexuals - quite the contrary, it is an
- >essential teaching that I am to love all men, not just those who agree with me.
- >I therefore resent the implication that if you disagree, you hate. It just
- >doesn't follow!
- >
- I never said if you disagree you hate. What I did say was that if you teach
- that lesbigays do not deserve equality then that is hate. Equality
- in all things. the options and the privliges and the problems. AN
- equal share. But there is more to it than that. I was not implying that
- people who disagree hate, but that in this instance. One instance.
- teaching to children that what they are is wrong and evil is harmful, and
- that is hate. Teaching children to be who and what they are, and letting
- them find that for themselves, that is love. IMHO. I'm sorry if I haven't
- made that more clear in the past.
- What a lot of people don't seem to understand is that this is not a part
- of the Gay Rights Movement agenda. In fact, I've never seen such a thing.
- I have seen points and areas to focus in on for things like the upcoming
- March on Washington and the last MOW. But what I'm talking about is
- personal. it is individual. It isn't political. yes, that is one means
- of trying to resolve this, but not the best, nor the preferred (at least
- by me). The best and preferred way is through understanding. And
- knowledge.
- If the BSA never changes it';s policy, well then I won't ever be in it
- again. But Scouting is always with me. It isn't an organization. It
- isn't even just the people in it, although they are a part of it. It's a
- way of thinking of believeing, of being. A couple of years ago in our
- Gay and Lesbian Student Union (in which I was Coordinator) during one
- of our discussion groups, the question was asked for us to each
- describe ourselves in three words or phrases. Mine were (in order):
- 1 Scout
- 2 Anthropologist
- 3 Italian.
- Why, because while I am gay, it isn't what has shaped me until my adult
- life. these others are what really made me who I am. Being gay has it's
- problems and hardships, but those were met becuse of the foundations of
- the others. I am gay, my lifestyle is my own, But it's not who I am.
- I've been taught all my life to help others, and I continue to do so,
- if it's within scouting, wonderful, if it's not, then still wonderful.
- I've worked with all kinds of people, from rape victim/survivors to
- druggies to kids confused about their sexuality. For those wondering,
- I have always stood quite firm on these grounds. I never call someone
- gay or lesbian or bi or straight unless they identify themselves that way.
- I have worked with kids who aren't sure, and I'll tell you, some are gay,
- and some are straight, and others are bi, but not because of me, but
- because I beleived in them. That's love. That's helping. How does
- this apply to Socuting. It's what I learned there.
-
- I think this will be my last post on this issue for awhile. I'm tired of
- it. I could really care less right now what people think or want or
- believe who are thousands of miles away. the people I care about are
- here. The people who loved me when many others wouldn't. there's a
- saying. "we are an army of lovers and we shall succed." We succed
- in loving. if people wonder why this is so emotional, then you
- don't understand.
-
- For those in the OA, recall or read the words of Allowat Sakima in
- the Ordeal Ceremony.
-
- WWW
- In Brotherhood,
- Dominick V. Zurlo
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