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- From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)
- Subject: Re: Violation of Netiqutte (was: Stan - Hatred is unbecoming)
- Organization: Summit NJ
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:19:34 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.221934.6210@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
- References: <ardq09m@lynx.unm.edu> <1992Nov12.210927.20324@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> <ppjqr5=@lynx.unm.edu>
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- Dominick V. Zurlo writes:
- >Stan Krieger writes:
-
- >>>Just for readers clarification, Stan's email to me begins the line
- >>>with a % sign......
-
- >>As all you netnews readers see from the header of Dominick's posting,
- >>what he did was to take private email from me and, without my
- >>knowledge or consent, publically post it. Such behavior is a total
- >>violation of netiquette, and Dominick knows it.
- >
- >Except that in my last email message to you Stan I had told you I would
- >refuse to deal with you through email and that any email you sent would
- >be posted. Especially when you are insulting and denegrating people
- >without any backing. You lost any courtesies you had from myself
- >when you refused to apologise for in essence calling myself and others
- >on this net child abusers. Unitl such an apology is forthcoming, you
- >have no rights to ettiquete of any kind from me.
- >>
- >>I especially resent the use of the word "hatred" in the subject of
- >>Dominick's unauthorized posting of the email. I simply do not agree
- >>with certain gay rights agenda assumptions.
- >
- >Ahh, so you can call people child abusers for no reason and think that is not
- >hatred? Twisted thoughts there Stan. Very twisted. Go seek professional
- >help. We aren't talking any rights assumptions. We're talking a claim you
- >make and have yet to substantiate. Until you do so. Go away.
-
- Hopefully, we can all let this matter now drop and move onto
- Scouting issues and ideas. I am extremely upset at the
- unfounded lies and innuendos that have been posted about me
- simply because I disagree with certain assumptions or political
- agenda items of the gay rights movement. I feel I am the one
- owed an apology.
-
- To clarify my position on the matter, so these personal attacks will
- drop, while I DO consider a person's sex partner as being a CHOICE that
- a person makes, and, consistent with the religious standards and
- societal norms in the U.S.A., I do consider sex between members of the
- same sex as immoral, I also feel, and this seems to get lost in
- all the noise, that there are MANY instances where a person's choice
- of sex partner has absolutely no relevance to the issue at hand
- (such as employment or security clearances) and thus should not be
- a factor. But I do feel, and clearly this is where the friction
- between Dominick, et. al., and me lie, that there are some circumstances,
- and youth group leader is one of them, where it is a legitimate factor.
- (The closest parallel I can draw is where a Jew married to a non-Jew
- wants to be a youth group leader at my synagogue; such a marriage
- is forbidden by the religion, and thus would clearly give the wrong
- message to our children as to what an acceptable choice might be 10
- years or so down the road.)
-
- Perhaps my use of child-abuser was too strong, but I do feel that
- counseling a teenage boy that sex with males might be acceptable,
- is just as wrong as counseling a Jew that marriage outside the religion
- might be acceptable. And for rec.scouting purposes, all we are
- talking about is what is proper, within BSA guidelines, for the
- boys.
- --
- Stan Krieger All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
- UNIX System Laboratories if related to my employment, are my own.
- Summit, NJ
- smk@usl.com
-