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- From: mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)
- Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
- Subject: Re: Humor, at NH tournament
- Message-ID: <74354@apple.apple.COM>
- Date: 16 Nov 92 20:10:34 GMT
- References: <1992Nov16.105548.7064@cbnews.cb.att.com> <BxtMy9.87n@max.physics.sunysb.edu>
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- In article <BxtMy9.87n@max.physics.sunysb.edu> gene@max.physics.sunysb.edu (Eugene Tyurin) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov16.105548.7064@cbnews.cb.att.com> yy@cbnews.cb.att.com (alan.j.lapenn) writes:
- >>
- >>I was at the Northern Shaolin Karate Assn. tournament in Concord, NH this
- > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- >
- > Pardon me, guys, but how one can glue Shaolin to Karate?
- > From all my knowledge about MA history I can only think about this as
- > of a funny commercial name. Any experts out there?
-
- Lest you think I'm claiming to be an expert, I'm not.
-
- The head of the system I study calls it 'Shao-Lin Karate-do', and
- there is a reasonable explanation for it, which I'll get to
- momentarily. As for the above group, I don't know anything about
- them, so I don't know whether the name is just a funny commercial
- name or what.
-
- My instructor's instructor is Sin Kwang The', a Chinese who grew
- up in Indonesia. That last name is not Chinese; his actual
- family name is Zheng, however, Indonesia has some rather intersting
- laws and customs that bear upon both his name and what he
- calls his school.
-
- Incidentally, my instructors call it Shao-Lin Kung Fu. Again, I'll
- shortly get to why Master The' doesn't use the name 'Kung Fu'.
-
- The system I am learning was brought to Indonesia by one Ie
- Chang Ming, who is said to have learned it in residence at a
- Shaolin Temple in Fukien under the tutelage of its head monk,
- Su Kong Tai Djin. Master Ie's desgnated successor is Master
- The'.
-
- It used to be that Indonesia officially discouraged the teaching
- of Chinese martial arts, but Japanese arts were allowed, along
- with native Silat. During this period, students of Master Ie
- adopted the name 'Shaolin karate' and some Japanese terminology.
- Many of the Chinese terms were replaced with Japanese ones to
- help conceal the Chinese origin of the system. It so happened
- that Master The' got along well with some Japanese martial arts
- teachers, and so the subterfuge was a natural one.
-
- Indonesia also required that Chinese change their names to
- Indonesian names in order to own property or businesses, and
- business owners had to have Indonesian partners. Consequently,
- the Zheng family became the The' family, and Master The's
- father still has an Indonesian partner in his textile
- business, though apparently he rarely sees the fellow.
-
- By the way, friends recently returned from a trip to Indonesia
- with Master The' tell me that Indonesia now allows Chinese
- arts to be taught, but does not allow them to be known by their
- Chinese names. Thus, there are apparently a number of
- Master The's contemporaries teaching Tai Chi Chuan, but
- their students don't know that it's Tai Chi Chuan, as they are
- required to call it by the Indonesian name for 'health and
- meditation'. The ban on Chinese names has apparently extended
- to the point where, apparently, when Master The' kept referring to
- old friends and acquaintances by their Chinese names, which
- he had always known, and not their Indonesian names, which
- he couldn't always remember, the old friends and acquaintances
- were much embarassed.
-
- When Master The' came to the U.S. and began to teach, he called
- the system 'Shao-Lin Karate-do' and still uses this name. Some
- of his students adopted the name 'Shao-Lin Kung Fu,' but for
- a long time he discouraged use of the name 'Kung Fu' because
- of its connotations in Indonesia. Where he came from 'Kung Fu'
- was the name used by traveling charlatans and snake-oil
- salesmen, and so the term was, for him, tainted.
-