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- From: jboyce@physics.berkeley.edu
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- Subject: Challenge to Everyone (physics)
- Date: 19 Nov 1992 19:54:05 GMT
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- Robert Partridge writes:
- >Thought I would post one of the ways I use to learn new vastly more difficult
- >tricks! Other than just trying it, how about slowing the whole thing down?
- >
- >If you use round balls (bags don't roll well enough) you can get used to the
- >look of a trick and what your hands should be doing by rolling balls on
- >an inclined board. Of course the board must be big enough so that the balls
- >don't roll off the edges. By changing the angle of the board you can change the
- >speed of the trick. As you get better, the board gets more vertical, until you
- >can do it without the help of the wood.
- >
- > I've never heard of anyone else using this method so I guess I'm the
- >only one fruity enough to try it!
-
-
- This has essentially been done before, by none other than Claude Shannon
- (the father of information theory, he's also a juggler on the side). His
- scheme was to use an inclined air-hockey table. The lower friction,
- as well as the fact that the objects don't have to spin, presumably
- results in more "realistic" trajectories. It seems to me that the
- problem with these schemes is that the thing you're training your body
- to learn isn't strictly what you want to learn -- the objects are
- confined to a plane automatically, so you're not exercising that part
- of your brain which controls this.
-
- Ideally, one would want some kind of a situation where you could juggle
- as you do normally, but with a controllable "gravity". You could start
- with a very small gravity (say moon-equivalent) where presumably things
- would be easy to do, and then slowly increase g until you're on your own.
- I don't have any hard evidence, but it seems intuitively that this would
- make the learning process easier, faster, and less error-prone.
-
- My challenge to all you physics/engineering-minded jugglers out there is
- to conceive of some method of doing this. Essentially you want to
- exert an (approximately) constant upward force on all the objects (call
- them balls for now) throughout their paths. A constant force effectively
- decreases g. This should of course be done in such a manner that
- doesn't interfere with the juggling.
-
- I thought about it for a while and came up with the following
- possibilities (I haven't really considered practicality yet):
-
- 1. Juggling underwater (constant bouyancy force). Adjust the
- ball density to achieve different effective gravities. The
- problem here is comfort, as well as drag due to viscosity
- (which needs to be substantially less than the force of gravity)
-
- 2. Juggling lighter-than-air balls. Viscous drag kills this.
-
- 3. Balls on long elastic lines. Adjust tension to get different
- g's. Here the problem is that the lines run thru the pattern,
- screwing it up. Can anyone fix this problem?
-
- 4. Charged balls inside a constant electric field (stand inside a
- huge parallel plate capacitor). Change g using a knob on the
- wall (voltage across capacitor). The balls will also repel one
- another, however -- I think this will force you to use huge
- electric fields (impractical and dangerous). Could be wrong.
-
- 5. Superconducting balls inside a constant-gradient magnetic field
- (Meisner effect). Theoretical problems: (1) B must be
- divergence-free, so there will always be horizonal component to
- force at most points inside the juggling area (balls are pushed
- to the side), (2) flux pinning and other superconducting
- effects make the force a bit difficult to predict (there is
- some hysteresis), and (3) a reasonably high juggling area
- requires magnetic fields in excess of critical fields of most
- superconductors.
-
- 6. Juggling inside an upward-pointed wind tunnel. Laminar flow
- with velocity substantially larger than typical ball velocity
- implies a constant upward force. The balls themselves cause
- turbulence (as does your body), unfortunately. [Not to mention
- the obvious practical difficulties.]
-
- I haven't thought these through carefully, but none seems adequate.
- Can anybody out there think of a scheme that might work in theory?
- Post details to the net, with "Physics" in the title so that those
- disinterested don't start frothing at the mouth...
-
- Jack
- jboyce@physics.berkeley.edu
-
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