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- From: popovich@morningside.cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich)
- Newsgroups: rec.guns
- Subject: Re: Bad tactical position ( was Psychology in Defense)
- Message-ID: <9211191841.AA28967@morningside.cs.columbia.edu>
- Date: 19 Nov 92 21:06:01 GMT
- Sender: magnum@mimsy.umd.edu
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- Approved: gun-control@cs.umd.edu
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- In article <9211172101.AA20223@gtephx.com>,
- forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona) writes:
-
- # Scene: you see a woman in a torn nightgown running across a
- # lawn, screaming at the top of her lungs. A man comes out of the
- # house running after her, tackles her and begins to drag her back
- # to the house. You stop, order the man to release the woman and
- # lie face down. He refuses. She's still screaming. Suddenly,
- # she breaks free and starts fleeing. In spite of your orders to
- # stop, the man pursues and is about to catch her again. BANG!
- #
- # Congratulations, you just shot the husband of a woman suffering
- # a nervous breakdown -- and you've got a crazy woman running
- # around half naked (likely to become a victim, too).
- #
- # The point being you will never know for sure until after the
- # smoke clears.
-
- Then there's what happened on Tuesday this week, outside a Brooklyn
- subway station. This isn't the first report of this incident locally,
- but there is an article on the front page of today's NYTimes about it.
- I'll include a few carefully chosen excerpts to help reinforce the
- point. The article begins:
-
- A detail of three New York City transit police officers on an
- anti-crime patrol had stumbled upon an all-too-common situation
- outside a Brooklyn subway station Tuesday evening: two shabbily
- dressed men, one with a drawn gun, menacing a woman.
-
- The result of this meeting is reported as:
-
- ...Two of the officers from the patrol opened fire...The
- officers fired 17 shots in a matter of moments...One officer
- from the anti-crime detail emptied his six-shot .38-caliber
- revolver, and then reloaded...[Note: The other officer's
- weapon, from which 11 shots were fired, is given in the
- article as a 9mm semiautomatic Glock, so it seems that no
- officer actually kept firing after reloading.]
-
- In other words, a pretty emphatic BANG! The only problem is:
-
- The two men were actually police officers in plain clothes,
- making what was until that moment a typical arrest on the
- second-to-last stop of the L line. They were searching a
- suspected fare beater they had chased down a staircase and
- cornered.
-
- In other words, a pretty emphatic OOPS! One of the officers was hit
- three times, twice in his bulletproof vest, but once in the neck. He
- was critical for a while, but as of last night was in stable condition
- and was expected to recover from the shooting. They're still trying
- to figure out just how this happened. This interesting article,
- titled, "After 17 Shots, Officers See Colleagues Were Target", goes on
- to say that:
-
- Ordinarily, plainclothes officers are instructed to wear a
- wristband or other garment in the chosen "color of the day"
- so they can be easily recognized by other officers.
-
- The article also says that it is unknown whether the officer who was
- shot was actually wearing such a garment at the time of the shooting.
- So, either the officer who was shot broke the protocol by failing to
- wear a distinguishing garment, or the officers who shot him broke the
- protocol by failing to determine whether the gunman they were shooting
- at might actually be an officer.
-
- So although there was a supposedly well-defined protocol to be used by
- the officers to determine whether a man with a gun is a dangerous
- criminal or instead is a fellow officer, these presumably well-trained
- officers who shot one of their colleagues also didn't have a clue as
- to what they were really doing until after the smoke had cleared. All
- I can say about this is, "Be careful out there".
- -Steve
-
-