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- From: syoung@pecanpi.UUCP (Stan Young)
- Newsgroups: rec.guns
- Subject: Re: Bad tactical position ( was Psychology in Defense)
- Message-ID: <9211170235.AA25624@emory.mathcs.emory.edu>
- Date: 17 Nov 92 13:15:11 GMT
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- Organization: Pecan Pi, Doraville, Georgia
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- In article <Bxrvs1.3AH@scylax.uucp>, scylax!tiglath@uunet.UU.NET writes:
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- <Stuff deleted regarding what to do if a suspect won't obey your commands,
- but is not currently threatening.>
-
- # Waiting him out is not safe. He may be waiting for his mate or mates.
- # Or you may crack up under continuous stress. And the longer the
- # perp sees that you are not tough enough. The more he can think he
- # can rush you, and succeed!. Why should I take a chance. If he is
- # alone, ooops! I was wrong. If he isn't, ooops! I am dead. Can I be
- # expecte to take additonal risk, imagined or not, for his sake. More
- # scenarios...
-
- I take it you've never had much experience with the courts.
-
- You can't shoot somebody for your convenience, or for what might be. You'll
- be held to the standard of "the reasonable man". Keep in mind that as the
- situation changes, your defense options change. In this case, the suspect
- is not currently threatening you - you can't shoot without running into real
- problems.
-
- # A. The perp has hurt someone in my family, I am holding him at gunpoint.
- # again he doesn't obey but indicates he wants to go, call it quits,
- # and gently, unmenacingly, he moves to leave. Do I let him go?
-
- Absolutely. Get as good a description as you want, tell him to stay if you
- want, but let him go. If you shoot now, you will be committing an act of
- revenge - that'll get you put in jail.
-
- # B. Some one is picking the lock. I heard the noise and I see a black
- # clad figure slowly entering the now open balcony door. I am behind the
- # door armed, do I shoot first? The way I see, if he is a burglar
- # and I make a noise 99% chance he'll flee, if he is a deranged sadist
- # he has found his target, for which he might be well prepared.
- # Am I expected to take this chance?
-
- If you can get the guy to run, you are a LOT better off than if you shoot him.
- In this circumstance, you would PROBABLY be ok legally, depending on your state
- laws and the mood of the police and prosecutors.
-
- # C. The good guy is sick, old and weak. He holds the perp at
- # gunpoint in his small bedroom, the perp has a knife in his waist. he is
- # young, muscular, large and ferocious looking. He laughs at the
- # commands, feeling his superiority in spite of the gun trained on him.
- # The old guy is having a nightmare, shaking, his nerves frying. He
- # knows that in spite of the gun in his hand, he is no expert and if
- # he blinks or makes the slightest mistake he'll be history. He feels
- # that if the tension continues he will not be able to control it and
- # he may even faint. Does he shoot before his nerve runs out?
-
- Bang. The old man is in fear for his life, and there is a significant
- difference in physical capabilities. It is not a matter of worrying about
- his nerve running out. He has a current, realistic fear for his life.
-
- # I know many of you will say BLAM. BLAM BLAM!. That is what the instinct
- # tells us. I personally feel that shooting is the safe way to go. But
- # in all these cases there is not (yet) lethal force being offered, as
- # the rule goes. Can these be exceptions to the rule? Is there
- # a way not to shoot without takuing additional risk.
- # I assume the good guy doesn't know how to control an unwilling body
- # forcibly like police do. Experts speak.
-
- I'll make a recommendation that others will probably make - pick up Mas Ayoob's
- THE TRUTH ABOUT SELF-PROTECTION. It will open your eyes.
-
- --
- Serendipity is looking in a haystack for a needle
- and discovering the farmer's daughter. -- Julias H. Comroe
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- Stan Young {emory, slammer}!pecanpi!syoung
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