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- From: bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio)
- Newsgroups: rec.guns
- Subject: Re: AMT .380, Colt Mustang, or other?
- Message-ID: <1e9a7eINNdrf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
- Date: 17 Nov 92 02:08:50 GMT
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- Sender: magnum@mimsy.umd.edu
- Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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- Approved: gun-control@cs.umd.edu
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- In a previous article, scylax!tiglath@uunet.UU.NET () says:
-
- #<It half-cocks. You cannot cock the gun using only the trigger.
- #<You cannot cock the gun without moving the slide. If you hit a dud
- #<you cannot hit it again using only the trigger*. When this is
- #<the case, you know you have a sigle action gun, _a gun whose trigger
- #<cannot fully cock and release the hammer_.
-
- #Listen, this could be endless as long as your definition of single
- #action keeps changing. Before it was "the trigger cocks the gun"
-
- "fully". I thought you understood that.
- ie. "trigger fully cocks hammer(/hammer equivalent)"
- ie. "no slide movement(/manual hammer manipulation) is required
- because the trigger does the whole job of both cocking and releasing
- the hammer from start to finish."
-
- The two actions in question being 1) releasing the hammer
- 2) fully cocking the hammer, a DA trigger is capable of
- both.
- My def has not changed.
- DA: the trigger both fully cocks and releases the hammer
- SA: the trigger cannot both fully cock the hammer and release it.
-
- There is no functional distiction between "safe" action and single
- action ala 1911 with a long heavy pull. There is nothing to distinguish
- Glock action from a 1911 modified to have a long, heavy, creepy,
- single action trigger pull. A heavy trigger 1911 would fit your
- description of your Glock below, no less than your Glock does.
-
- #That, the Glock _does_. Now if you extend the definiton to "if you hit
- #a dud...". No, you are right, the Glock can't do that. This will
- #never be clear cut. Because the Glock has some operational features
- #typical of DA, and some of SA. That's why you and I ought to be happy
- #with "safe action" as a description. Now to belabor the point: since
- #I hit duds very rarely, the Glock is _effectively_ double action
- #most of the time, and, conceding your point, single action whenever
- #I hit a dud. Happy?
-
- ie. "my sa gun is essentialy da because it has a heavy
- trigger pull that feels like the first shot on a
- da and because except when I need to rack the slide
- like I would with any other sa it is _effectively_
- just like da."
- Fine.
-
- Jim "I consider my 1911 to be essentialy da because I put a
- real heavy trigger pull on it and because except for
- when I hit duds (which is rare) it is _effectively_
- just like da." Del Vecchio
-