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- From: rick@posms.cactus.org (Rick Kirchhof)
- Subject: Re: Mech ABS retrofit (ABS-TRAX)
- Organization: Department of Redundancy Dept., Austin
- Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:45:25 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Nov22.174525.1603@posms.cactus.org>
- References: <53060095@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com>
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- In article <53060095@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com> leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence LEONG) writes:
- >I've just seen a mechanical ABS retrofit. Its called "ABS-TRAX" and is
- >supposed to be derived from aircraft systems. Have you heard of it, and if
- >so, any data-points or anecdotes?
- >
- >The system consists of a small pressurised chamber which fastens (one per
- >brake circuit) onto the master cylinder output, somewhat like a reserviour.
- >The chamber contains a pressurised Nitrogen chamber and diagphram; when the
- >brake fluid hits a pre-set pressure (supposed to be within 5-10% of lockup),
- >a valve will actuate to relieve the pressure and keep the wheels on the
- >threshold of skidding (somewhat similar to threshold braking). Under normal
- >braking, it is supposed to not activate.
- >
- >There is no speed sensor like the electronic versions. Since this device
- >works on a principle similar to threshold braking (I think), it appears to
- >be better than electronic ABS, no?
- >
- >The sales guy could not tell me how/what was used to determine the threshold
- >nor the method of pressure relief.
- >
- >This system is supposed to in use on aircraft, and is supposed to reduce
- >braking distances by up to 30%. Its also supposed to be DOT certified (for
- >what its worth). The company claims to have sold 15000 units in US alone.
- >
- >
- >Does anyone have any experience with this? Does this system sound viable?
- >Is this really used in aircraft? Should I part with good money for this?
- >
- >(price is approx US$620, incl installation).
- >
- >comments/suggestions welcome.
- >lawrence
- >leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com
- >
- >
-
- I have seen the tech package that is sent to potential installers of this
- product. The active principle here is that the brake rotor usually
- contains high spots. When a high spot is within the caliper, the
- braking action is increased. They claim the high spots are the main
- cause of brake lockup. The system provides an adjustable volume
- for the brake fluid to displace, eliminating (they say) lockup.
-
-
- Three problems here:
-
- Many, if not most cars have very little thickness variation on
- the rotors. This is what you usually feel as a pulsing brake
- pedal. It is very common to have some lateral runout, but this
- won't effect brake performance unless it is pronounced or the
- caliper is not floating properly. Brake repair specifications
- on almost any car will allow a fair amount of runout, but very
- little thickness variation.
-
-
- Problem two is that brake fluid _should_ create a positive
- displacement in the brake system. Otherwise, a soft brake pedal
- results. If this is such a great idea, why do manufacturers set
- up brake bleeding procedures. If you displace fluid in one area
- it should create the transfer of force to another area like the
- caliper or wheel cylinder in a predictible manner.
-
- Problem three is that your insurance company may not consider it
- to be an anti-lock brake system.
-
- Think about it.
-
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