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- From: bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser)
- Subject: Re: Extended Warranty (3rd party recommendations)
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- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:32:03 GMT
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- philg@martigny.ai.mit.edu writes:
-
- >>>I am just about to take delivery on a new Ford (Taurus SHO). Can anyone
- >>>recommend or provide a list of 3rd party extended warranty providers.
- >>>My goal would be to have as good (or better) coverage than Ford's program,
- >>>at lower cost.
-
- >>Don't get a 3rd party warranty. In most states the implied warranty
- >>don't get an extended warranty ever, they are a ripoff *always*.
- >>put the money in the bank and use it to cover repairs after the 3 year wait
- >>is up!
-
- >Put the money in the bank! My Ford requires several thousand dollars
- >worth of repairs each year, including piles of new brake and engine
- >control parts. Maybe this advice makes sense for a Toyota, but I
- >wouldn't buy another Ford without an extended warranty.
- >If you don't buy the extended warranty, you are entering a lottery.
- >You might win the few hundred dollars that the warranty costs, but you
- >might lose thousands.
-
- Phil's been royally screwed by his FLM dealer and the Ford home office
- concerning his Merkur, but his advice is not biased. However, I think there
- are a few other points to consider. For one, a new Ford comes with a
- 3 year/36K mile bumper-to-bumper warranty, no? I'm not sure what, if any,
- the deductible is; it could be as much as $100. When you buy an extended
- warranty, like a 6 year/60K mile plan, this coverage is NOT USUALLY
- an EXTENSION to the manufacturer's warranty, even if the warranty is
- sold by the MANUFACTURER. On a new car that costs, say, $20,000 like
- the SHO, this warranty might cost say $600-800 (based on prices I've seen).
- Ultimately this means you get 3 more years or 24K more miles of coverage
- for $600-800. Read on to see if it's worth it.
-
- When I bought my Sable used, it was 3.5 years old and had 59,000 miles.
- The dealer offered an extended warranty for 3/36 for $1100. I said no.
- They asked me again. I said no. They asked again. I said, okay, but
- I'll pay only $800. They said $900. I bought it. My deductible is
- $50 and the warranty covers EVERYTHING except wear and tear (like brakes,
- belts, hoses). I have recently broken even on this warranty. The rundown
- of the repairs:
-
- 65,000 miles: Small water leak from one head. Condition existed
- when I bought the car, but was real slight. Dealer
- r/r head bolts, gaskets on BOTH BANKS; changed oil
- water. Their cost: $550, I paid $50.
-
- 80,000 miles: Tie-rod end loose. Dealer r/r tie-rod end. Their
- cost: $175. I pay $50.
-
- 87,000 miles: Pwr steering high pressure hose leaking at pump.
- Turns out pump is cracked slightly at interface.
- Dealer r/r pump and high pressure hose. Their
- cost: unknown (I'll guess $450). I pay $50.
-
- I've also had two recalls since I've owned it: brake rotors and the
- catalyst. I paid nothing in both instances. Other repairs/costs
- I've paid myself:
-
- 75,000 miles: Dealer does the rotor recall. I buy new pads
- for $35 (okay, I paid too much) they put them
- on for free.
-
- 77,500 miles: I have rear drums and linings replaced. Total
- cost: $200.
-
- 80,000 miles: Dealer does tie-rod. I pay $35 for a 4-wheel
- alignment (good deal).
-
-
- So, I've paid $150 in deductibles in addition to the original $900 I
- paid for the coverage. That's a total of $1050. The repairs would've
- cost me $1175. I win by $125. I've had $270 in repairs that I've had
- to pay myself.
-
- IMPORTANT: Sorry this is long, but I'm getting to the point. I *really*
- beleive that an extended warranty is a good deal for a used car. It
- cost $50 just to get a mechanic to lift the hood these days. The odds that
- something, perhaps even something major like a blown engine, is going
- to go wrong with a USED car over 50K miles are pretty damn good, IMHO.
- But with a NEW car, it's not such a good gamble, but the warranty prices
- are lower. Another point to consider: I've had my car serviced at a
- different dealer for each warranty repair (student on the move), one in
- Lafayette, IN, one in Sandusky, OH (where the car was bought), and one
- in Columbus, OH. Each time, they did the repairs in a heartbeat. For
- the power steering pump, I literally drove in one day at 10am and the car
- was ready at 2pm. The other times I left it while I was at work/school
- for the day. They have NEVER given me a hassle about the coverage or
- have NEVER tried to sell me something I didn't need. I paid $50 and I
- left. Now, are these dealers just nice guys? I think, in part, they
- are, but there's something else going on. The fact that I bring in
- my car with a repair that is likely going to be covered by my ESP is
- like money in the bank for them. They don't even have to be worried about
- me being pissed about paying for a new power steering pump or whatever.
- They get their money from Ford and everybody is happy. I DEFININTELY
- think that the warranty gets you better treatment, especially if you
- always take your car to the place you bought it. That's another reason
- why it is extremely important to find a good dealer. I think Phil's
- problems with his Merkur could have been much reduced if his dealer
- would've dealt with Ford for him, some dealers will do that (can you
- say "clout"). I don't know, maybe I'm just lucky.
-
- Bottom line: Find a good car. Find a good dealer. Buy an ESP
- if it's a used car and the price is right. Consider an ESP for a new car,
- buy it if the price is right. The right prices for ESPs? I'd say
- under $1000 for a good used car with average mileage and under $600 for
- a new car priced from $15,000 to $20,000. I think it is cheap insurance.
-
- Regards,
-
- Brian
-
- bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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