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- From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas Tovornik)
- Subject: Re: Whining about buying American cars
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.191431.7544@sol.UVic.CA>
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- Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
- References: <184305@pyramid.pyramid.com>
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 19:14:31 GMT
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- In article 184305@pyramid.pyramid.com, lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
- >In article <BxqMzH.51M@acsu.buffalo.edu> v064mcqs@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (NEIL GANDLER) writes:
- >>
- >> Hold on a minute buddy. You seem to be knocking American cars, making
- >>them alot worse then they really are. Yes in the late seventies and
- >>the Eighties, American cars were mostly shit. But Americans #1, have more
- >>experience than the japanese in making cars. 2nd, you are forgetting about
- >>the engineers. I am an electrical engineering student. All japanese cars
- >>are designed in Japan.
- >
- > From that stupid statement, it's pretty obvious you're NOT a
- > student of anything remotely related to automotive design.
- >
- > Care to bet bucks on how many Japanese cars are designed in the
- > US?
- >
- > Even the 240Z was designed elsewhere than Japan....
- >
- > Yeesh. Go burn a cross or some other activity suitable to your
- > jingoistic intellect.
- >
- >>American cars get the same mileage as Japanese cars, there is little difference.
- > Care to post some CAFE numbers to back up your mis-information?
- >
- >>American cars are much improved over the years. And quality these days is
- >>quite close. And American cars are cheaper and are less expensive to fix.
- > American cars are close to quality?
- >
- > Cheaper and less expensive to fix?
- >
- > There are some really fine American cars...but none of them is
- > particularly cheap to fix. And how often a car NEEDS fixing is a
- > factor in service costs.
- >
- >> Examples of American accomplishments in the auto industry:
- >> 1. GM's Saturn division. A complete sucess. Making the
- >> Japanese wet their pants.
- >
- > More like snoring. There ARE some American cars that have hurt
- > the Japanese, but Saturn is below the price range the Japanese
- > are moving into for competition.
-
- Yeah, The Japanese are doing today what Henry II did to the Mustang. The
- '65/'66 Mustang was a nice, decent little sporty car. The early GT 350 was
- a factory racer PAR EXCELLENCE! Look at the PIG that the Mustang became by
- 1972. Heavier and clumsier than ever before and not much larger inside. OK,
- the Boss 302 I'd keep if I had one, but any other 'stang built after the
- 1968 model year is not for me...Including the new ones. Remember the sexy
- '67 Cougar? Look at a '74. Gross!
-
- Remember the first Acura Legend? Nice looking car. Look at the new one, Yuck!
- Remember the Prelude a couple of design cycles ago? Cute machine. Look at the
- new one. It has an ass like a cow!
-
- Saturn:
- Funny how the Americans are starting to do to the Japanese what they did to
- the Americans twenty years ago...Providing cheap, well-built cars as alter-
- natives to expensive cows & pigs.
-
- >
- >> 2. Chrysler minivans are superior to their japanese counterparts
- >
- > One correct. You win $5.00.....
- >
- >> 3. The new Cadillac Northstar Engine. Superior that any
- >>of the v8's japan can ship out.
- >
- > Not familiar with Ford's twin-cammer? Maybe the Northstar is
- > the equal of the Japanese V-8's. Call us back in 150K miles and
- > see if it hangs together that long. Some of us would-be Caddy
- > buyers know someone stupid enough to buy an Eldorado.
- > Perpetual maintenance that a Lotus would be proud of.
-
- I'll have a '93 Fleetwood Brougham with a good old Chevy 350! :+)
- Thankfully, the TORQUE GODS still make real Cadillacs...
-
- > BTW, the American V-8's, low tech tho some are, have just about
- > ALWAYS beaten the foreign competition for longevity. You really
- > have to try to hurt the typical 5 liter Ford or Chev engine.
-
- I knew a guy who took a '69 Montego 289 V8 234000 miles and it was still going
- strong without so much as lifting a valve cover! The body rusted out since
- the winter salt got to it. He did the same with his '80 Camaro and had to
- replace the timing chain after only 215000 miles.
-
- This timing chain failure was INEXCUSABLE!!! It was supposed to outlast the
- body!!! I'd be more satisfied with a Hyundai Pony that self destructs after
- 80000 miles, wouldn't you? Oh, those shitty useless early-eighties American
- garbage cans...They SHOULD be illegal. Chevrolet was most irresponsible when
- it made that useless, junky 267!!!
-
- Torque Monger
-