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- From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch)
- Newsgroups: rec.audio
- Subject: Re: DCC -- JUST SAY NO! (was: The end of cassettes,
- Message-ID: <24225@alice.att.com>
- Date: 18 Nov 92 15:45:55 GMT
- Article-I.D.: alice.24225
- References: <BxKt78.2Hu@unix.portal.com> <24214@alice.att.com> <27617@oasys.dt.navy.mil> <1992Nov17.231246.137@nas.nasa.gov>
- Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch)
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- In article <1992Nov17.231246.137@nas.nasa.gov> fineberg@nas.nasa.gov writes:
- >I think he's partly right. The fact is that the loss from compression is only
- >where the information content of the signal is greater than the tapes capacity.
- >After the signal has been reduced to a signal that can be stored on the tape
- >(i.e., after the first time it is compressed), all further generations should
- >be exactly the same.
- > _______________ _____________
- >
- >Signal --> | compression | --> signal on tape --> | expansion | --> tape output
- > _______________ _____________
- And I know you'r both being silly. You've already stipulated that
- something is "lost" in the first encoding. Therefore, since the
- compression algorithm is (well known to be) responsive to the
- input signal, the second compression HAS to be different.
- It is different. It adds 3dB more noise. The 4th costs at least
- another 3dB. The 8th another, and this if everything works at the
- best possible fashion.
-
- A simple study of lossy compression, say as in Jayant and Noll,
- should suffice to show you why your presumption is wrong.
-
- Don't forget that in addition, the added noise (that's what the missing
- information is manifested as) requires bits to encode the noise,
- so the degredation process is actually much faster.
-
- This is elementary quantization theory.
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