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- From: matthews@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Thomas W. Matthews)
- Newsgroups: rec.audio
- Subject: Re: Cable Design Proposal
- Message-ID: <19328@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>
- Date: 17 Nov 92 17:36:54 GMT
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- kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom) has written:
-
- >WHAT IF.....I took a cable that was 50 Ohms at one end and tapered it to
- >say 300 Ohms at the other end say 1 meter away. I then put gold plated,
- >RCA connectors on it and tell the user to plug the 50 Ohm end into their
- >preamp and to plug the 300 Ohm end into their amp making sure not to mix
- >this up.
-
- I think that the transmission line must be at least a certain length,
- expressed in wavelengths of the signal in the transmission line, before
- the transformation of impedance will be effective. In other words, the
- wavlength of even the highest frequency audio signal will still be so long
- in the transmission line that what we see as a gradual taper will, to the
- waveform, be just another impedance bump
-
- >this up. Me thinks that the preamp will deliver just a we bit more
- >voltage to the amp with this strange cable and any reflections will be
- >absorbed due to the low impedance upon return.
-
- If the 50-Ohm end of the cable is driven with a 50-Ohm source, then
- reflections will be minimized at that termination (to the extent that
- the tapered cable really does have a 50-Ohm impedance there.
-
- Certainly, according to traditional thinking, reflections on audio
- "interconnects" of reasonable length are too quick to affect even a
- 20 kHz. component. I'll take a guess at how one might calculate
- the bad effects of reflections, and then someone else who has
- given more thought to this area can give us a better idea.
-
- If the interconnect is one meter long and has a propagation
- velocity (is that the right term?) one-quarter the speed of
- light, ten round-trip bounces (20 meters distance) would take
- 267 nanoseconds. One cycle at 50 kHz. takes 20 microseconds.
- I think that after twenty bounces, any reflection would have
- dropped quite a bit in amplitude, and it will make about 360
- bounces before the time of one-quarter cycle at 50 kHz. has passed.
-
- Suppose that at each reflection, 0.8 of the signal amplitude
- is reflected. Then after 360 bounces, the signal amplitude is
- 698 dB down. Is anyone advocating the position that an effect
- which decays to -698 dB within one-quarter cycle of a frequency
- that is well above the range of audibility produces an audible effect?
-
- If I were experiencing some trouble with a particular interconnect,
- I would be inclined to consider other factors before suspecting
- reflections as the cause.
-
- I thought I'd post this to show how I'd approach the question, given
- my engineering training. However, I recognize that I may have
- overlooked something, or even be completely wrong. Given that
- many readers think reflections are important, and my analysis
- leads me to believe that they're not, I'm interested in reading
- and learning from any discussion which follows.
-
- Tom Matthews
-