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- From: goetz@reed.edu (Norman Goetz)
- Newsgroups: pnw.general
- Subject: Re: Special Rights (was: Wanted: Post election comments on Prop. 9)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov23.225404.10136@reed.edu>
- Date: 23 Nov 92 22:54:04 GMT
- Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov23.225404.10136
- References: <1992Nov17.174318.16475@u.washington.edu> <16390002@b-mrda.ca.boeing.com>
- Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon
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- In article <16390002@b-mrda.ca.boeing.com> miller@b-mrda.ca.boeing.com (Mark Miller) writes:
- >I'd like net.reaction to the following hypothetical situation:
- >
- >A church has an opening for a youth group leader. One applicant
- >says that he is a homosexual. The church's board of elders (or
- >other governing body) refuses to employ the applicant on the basis
- >of his homosexuality, citing Romans chapter 1 and saying that the
- >applicant's beliefs contradict the church's values.
- >
- >In your opinion, has the church acted properly? Should the church be
- >forced to hire and/or compensate the individual?
- >
- The church should not be forced to hire this person. I believe
- that the current gay rights measure in Portland contains an
- exemption for churches; I'll be really embarrassed if I'm wrong ...
-
- This is true separation of church and state. Churches should be
- allowed _as much as possible_ (human sacrifice, for instance,
- would be too much) to practice their own beliefs within their
- own church members. In exchange, churches are prevented
- from inserting into constitutions or legislation a mandate which
- forces citizens with other beliefs to follow theirs. This last
- is where bogus legislation has recently arisen. The conservative
- churches believe (like all other religions) that theirs is the
- only true faith, and so they must force everyone else to follow
- it.
-
- As appalled as I am that measure 9 was even on the ballot in
- Oregon, I don't think "force feeding" gays into the midst of the
- OCA is the smartest way to effect change. OCA members are too
- irrationally terrified to profit from it. Besides, it's the
- constitutional thing to do to exempt churches, and it's
- constitutions that need to be preserved, to protect us all.
-
- Another scenario: A company hires a new executive, who is a
- member of a church that believes gays are sub-human. Over the next
- few weeks she realizes through casual office conversation that
- two of her subordinates are quietly and honestly gay. She
- summarily fires them, choosing her religion over her legal
- responsibility to the company. The company should in turn fire
- her, for breaking the law and opening the company to lawsuit.
- The company may not know her beliefs in advance, because they
- are prevented from asking and possibly discriminating on the
- basis of religion.
-
- Another twist to gay rights laws that this scenario points out
- is that members of certain churches will as a class be
- incompetent to hold many high-paying executive and public
- positions, unless they totally supress important parts of
- their religious beliefs in their professional lives. Measure 9
- was also partly a jobs bill for members of the OCA.
-
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