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- From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
- Newsgroups: news.sysadmin,news.admin,news.admin.policy
- Subject: Re: What is pornography, anyway?
- Message-ID: <613@ulogic.UUCP>
- Date: 17 Nov 92 17:34:11 GMT
- References: <1992Nov13.153824.27660@news.columbia.edu> <9211150013.37@rmkhome.UUCP> <1992Nov16.155802.25830@news.columbia.edu>
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- In article <1992Nov16.155802.25830@news.columbia.edu> dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis) writes:
- >In article <9211150013.37@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
- >>
- >>But the bottom of the line federal line in the US is:
- >>
- > Is this a federal law? I was under the impression that it was a state
- >controlled area.
-
- I think federal enforcement may be under the postmastger general, and
- limited to pornography distributed through the us mail. (note: this
- is not a professional or legal opinion -- it's based off something I
- think I remember seeing on 60 minutes a few years ago....)
-
- >>Depictions of children under the age of 18 engaged in sex or posed to
- >>sexually tittilate are illegal.
- >>
- > How do you define "posed to sexually tittilate"? Most laws on child porn
-
- I think intention to tittilate is shown (regardless of actual pose) by
- posting the pictures to the .erotica board instead of a .pics (or .art or
- whatever the "generic" scanned pictures newsgroup would be)
-
- >>The government does not have to prove whether it is pornographic or not.
- >>
- > Indeed not. I think they did prior to 1982. BTW, it is not "pornographic",
- >but "obscene", and that's what we were debating.
-
- I thought we were debating "illegal" whether pornographic, obscene or
- (recently tossed (back) into the mix) copyright violation.
-
- > The point is that we want to stop child porn not because it is obscene, but
- >because it inevitably derives from child sexual abuse. If we belive that
-
- Not "the point", but "a point".
-
- There are two issues here: child pornography (on which I seem to agree
- with you), and culpability/responsibility of systems carrying articles
- which are known to be illegal. If you try arguing issue A and the other
- guy is talking issue B your points will just be going right by each
- other :) For many news admins on the net, the second issue is the
- most important, since it bears directly upon their responsibility (or
- lack thereof) for such things found on their systems.
-
- > Ideally, child porn laws would become part of the general child abuse laws,
- >and finally sever the connection between porn and child-porn.
-
- I'll second that.
-
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