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- From: aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA (E Alan Idler)
- Subject: Re: Authoritarian Parents (was 20/20 and spanking)
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- Date: 19 Nov 92 16:25:41 GMT
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- rubio@HAN.Paramax.COM (Stuart Rubio) writes:
-
- >In article <1992Nov16.164048.15233@jetsun.weitek.COM> robert@jetsun.weitek.COM (Robert Plamondon) writes:
- >>
- >>Here are some hallmarks of authoritarian parents I have known, which
- >>may help differentiate them from other kinds:
- >>
- >>1. Authoritarian parents take offense if their kids do something
- >> successfully, but in a way that differed from their instructions.
- >> That is, authoritarian parents discourage and even punish independent
- >> thinking, even when it's successful.
-
- >As an authoritarian parent who spanks as necessary, I take exception
- >with the assumption that authoritarian parents recent the accomplishments
- >of their children. I have always encouraged my kids to think before
- >they do anything. This would, first and foremost, keep them from
- >making the kind of mistakes that lead them into situations in which
- >they get spanked. If children thought ahead, and could do this kind
- >of analytical thinking concerning future results of their actions,
- >there would probably be less need to "correct" their actions in the
- >ways mentioned.
-
- A little authority never hurt anyone.
- Parents hold the authority in the home.
- Children will have to learn to deal positively with
- authority figures in their lives.
- It's best the pick it up at home -- rather than
- in the world.
-
- My Dad would always comment about others at work
- who refused to follow procedures -- even after the
- safety implications were explained to them.
-
- BTW, corporal punishment is not necessarily related
- to an authoritative parenting philosophy.
-
- >>2. Authoritarian parents will punish children for things that might
- >> not even provoke a comment from other people.
-
- >This can be true. I know a lot of parents who never punish their kids
- >in any way, for anything they do. They see nothing wrong in any form
- >of behavior. Their kids beat on each other and throw toys across the
- >room, endabgering other children, but they simply make comments on
- >their activities. So, I can see where an authoritarian parent will
- >take action when other parents see nothing for which to take action.
-
- I hope that parents will use opportunities to correct
- their children. "Punishment" only becomes necessary
- when the child will not accept direction.
-
- >>3. Authoritarian parents talk about being "forced" to punish "for the
- >> principle of the thing," but can't articulate what principle they're
- >> defending.
-
- >Well, they might be defending the "right" of an adult to teach a child
- >to function within the confines of the society in which they live. There
- >is a responsibility that parents have to their children to enforce a
- >safe and naturing environment for all living things in that space.
- >Children do not always grasp that their actions may be harmful to others.
- >Children do not always understand that furniture and homehold items may
- >be damaged and cost something called money to replace when used in an
- >inappropriate manner. Children sometime just do NOT think about what they
- >are doing, to themselves, to each other, to the world around them.
-
- Some principles are worth defending.
-
- >>4. Authoritarian parents get more confused and desperate as their children
- >> get older and more independent, as their ability to control (or even
- >> influence) their children declines.
-
- >Some do. I am certain that you would like to bundle all parents that
- >use spanking into these nice neat pigionholes. Of course, you ignore
- >the fact that those children are also learning while they are getting
- >older. Nothing happens in a vacuum. The parents are losing control
- >because all parents lose control, as their children begin to take
- >on the roles the society dictates that they should. This is not
- >something abnormal or strange. Every generation does it and every
- >previous generation tries to slow that process as much as they can.
- >It is a natural event in the scheme of the world.
-
- As children mature, they should be able to accept
- more self-responsibility for their lives.
- All parents should modify their roles as their
- children's needs evolve.
-
- A IDLER
-