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- From: guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory)
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- Subject: Re: Racist/Sexist Role Models
- Date: 20 Nov 1992 12:46:55 -0600
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- clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:
-
- > The question is whether such "bias" is ultimately effective. For example,
-
- Oh, I am in total agreement. My point is merely that to condemn all bias as evil
- and akin to Naziism is naive.
-
- > The question is, therefore, what is the goal of preferential treatment?
-
- And an excellent question it is. I think it has been answered in one way or
- another many times. The common response is something like your first
- answer:
-
- >Is it to create a percentage of engineers that is equivalent to the
- >racial or female percentages in society?
-
- Although I don't think anyone has as a goal to equate the percentage of black
- engineers to thier percentage of the population. Rather, it is just to increase
- the percentage. If 9% of engineers were black, I don't think anyone would see
- a problem. On the other hand, 4% seems absurdly low.
-
-
- >Even if the numbers increased
- >by this method, how effective is this in getting more students to go
- >into engineering. How effective are "role" models?
-
- This seems like the root of several excellent dissertations in sociology. I
- would like to know the answer myself. Frankly, after watching the Prime
- Time special on violence in the schools last night, I am a little disillusioned.
-
- >For example, if we hire all the black and all the women
- >engineers graduating today, and there are still problems attracting
- >minorities and women, how we will explain the problem?
-
- You know as well as I do that that question can't be answered at this time.
-
- > One ought to investigate all the possibilities of why something
- >is happening, rather than just taking the explanation that everyone
- >gives as the root of the problem.
-
- Certainly.
-
- >--
- >Charles Lin
-
- Stanford S. Guillory
- guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu
-
-