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- From: lwalsh@nemo (Laura L. Walsh)
- Subject: Re: What can we have for an educational system?
- References: <1992Nov16.143453.22123@news.unige.ch> <BxwrDA.6ns@quake.sylmar.ca.us> <lgl5mfINNakj@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> <1992Nov18.214040.25941@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
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- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:31:09 GMT
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- masterov@crystallizer.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael Masterov) writes:
- >In article <lgl5mfINNakj@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix) writes:
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- >Now we can deal with incompetence. But first, WHAT IS INCOMPETENCE?
- >A teacher, to be effective, must know the material, know how to explain
- >the material, and know how to maintain discipline in either a primary
- >school environment (bunch of little kids) or secondary school environment
- >(bunch of hormone crazed teenagers).
- ...
- > In my personal
- >experience, and the experience of everyone I know who attended High
- >School in the US, the HS techers who taught the math and science
- >subjects had little or no knowledge even of the subject they taught.
- >That is clear INCOMPETENCE. One can not explain what one does not
- >understand.
-
- >Earlier in this thread, someone suggested using PhD's in HS. Again,
- >in my experience, the PhD level professors (and a few teachers in HS
- >I have had) DID know the subject they taught, with a few exceptions.
- ...
- > Most student questions have a nearly null semantic
- >content - and require a person who can TEACH to understand where the
- >difficulty lies and explain in terms that students can understand.
- >The vast majority of these PhD professors WERE NOT able to do that.
- >They, too, were incompetent.
-
- >Teaching effectively may well be as difficult or more difficult than
- >the effective practice of medicine - and it is perfectly possible for
- >a teacher to be above average and still incompetent.
-
- Now, when I taught, I understood the material and I was very
- competent at explaining it to children [I have taught pre-
- schoolers through high schoolers], but I was clearly not so
- competent at maintaining discipline. I could help the kids
- who would try, but I couldn't deal with the kids who wouldn't.
- So there are really three ways to be incompetent.
-
- After becoming a parent, I think I have improved on the latter
- category, too, but you won't get me back in teaching, anyway.
- The working conditions are too hard and the pay to little.
- Laura Walsh
-