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- From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
- Subject: Re: What can we have for an educational system?
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- References: <BxsELH.65C@quake.sylmar.ca.us> <1992Nov16.143453.22123@news.unige.ch> <BxwrDA.6ns@quake.sylmar.ca.us>
- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:20:23 GMT
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- In article <BxwrDA.6ns@quake.sylmar.ca.us> brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov16.143453.22123@news.unige.ch> swann@divsun.unige.ch (SWANN Philip) writes:
- >>In article <BxsELH.65C@quake.sylmar.ca.us>, brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:
- >>> In article <1992Nov12.162137.24580@news.unige.ch> swann@divsun.unige.ch (SWANN Philip) writes:
-
- >>> >I have lived and/or worked in various countries and the almost universal
- >> .... [stuff deleted]
-
- >>> That's nonsense! There is a much more obvious answer which is that everyone
- >>> in society has a change to spend a lot of time watching teachers close up.
- >>> What they see is that the vast majority are mediocre and a large number are
- >>> grossly incompetent. You seem to think that teachers are on average just
- >>> as competent as doctors and lawyers, and that this is just a problem of
- >>> perception. Do you seriously believe that?
-
- >>On the contrary, I think that the legal and medical professions contain
- >>about the same proportion of mediocrities and incompetents as the teaching
- >>profession does.
-
- >On what basis do you reach that conclusion? If nothing else, I have never had
- >a medical problem which was not well-treated by my doctor. I have never
- >had bad advice from my lawyer. I have, over and over again, had teachers
- >who have been ignorant of the subject matter, and unable to clearly
- >explain what they did know. Additionally, I have never had a doctor who
- >thought that sickness was OK. I HAVE had teachers who thought that
- >ignorance was perfectly acceptable.
-
- I have had far too many doctors who did an abominable job in even trying to
- realize what the problem was. Doctors are quite prone to totally dismiss
- symptoms if they cannot think of a cause. You are probably a youngster who
- does not have problems of internal medicine, or at least not many, but we
- have had reports on sci.med of relatively simple cases which were not diagnosed
- by thirty (30) doctors. Sure, a doctor can recognize bleeding or a broken
- bone, or even a nasal infection. Also, there ARE sicknesses which are OK,
- or at least for which as little as possible should be done.
-
- The legal profession is not in the greatest odor, either. Example of a
- lawyer joke, from a large collection (less nasty than most):
-
- Q. If there was a lawyer and an IRS agent drowning, and you have one
- life preserver, what would you do?
-
- A. Eat lunch.
- --
- Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
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