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- From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
- Subject: Re: Free Middle/High School Broadcasts
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.014856.21530@eng.umd.edu>
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 01:48:56 GMT
- Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
- Sender: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin)
- References: <BxsG1I.69L@quake.sylmar.ca.us> <1992Nov16.222410.16897@nhgs.vak12ed.edu>
- Originator: clin@erlang.src.umd.edu
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- In article <1992Nov16.222410.16897@nhgs.vak12ed.edu>, pgolden@nhgs.vak12ed.edu (Patrick S. Golden) writes:
- >Brian -
- >
- >I'm sorry you find this "racist". It is certainly not our
- >intent to foster that attitude, but, rather, to present all
- >students with role models for them to emulate.
-
- How do you decide the effectiveness of role models in
- convincing students to go into science and engineering? I
- know the idea of "role models" is a popular one, but I wonder
- how one measures how effective this method is? Science and
- engineering are not known to be easy, many non-minorities
- choose not to pursue this area. The most effective "role
- models" will most likely be parents or perhaps teachers, but
- dynamic teachers. Dynamic teachers, whatever their race, can
- be effective in getting people to stay in the field.
-
- >Our broadcasts feature primarily females and underrepresented
- >minority students because studies show that these students may
- >be especially sensitive to the support and example of other
- >successful students.
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- Do the studies show why students choose not to participate
- in science and engineering? Perhaps these areas are considered
- either too "nerdish" and that people are turned off by this rather
- than a deliberate act of racism.
-
- >Perhaps you should read the 1990 RAND Corp. report, "Lost
- >Talent: The Underparticipation of Women, Minorities and
- >Disabled Persons in Science" by Jeannie Oakes.
- >
- >I think you will find that in our culture race and sex have
- >made a difference in the ability of certain groups achieving.
- >Perhaps you mean our culture is racist. If so, I would agree.
-
- Does the report address why this has happened? Statisically,
- one can say that women and minorities are underrepresented, and
- one can also decide that prejudice is the cause, but one shouldn't
- start off believing that, and then find the report verifies some
- pre-judgement. For example, it might be useful to find out
- income levels of those who choose not to go into science and
- engineering. Perhaps it's not a matter of race, but a matter
- of income. However, people like to ignore wealth-based
- classes as a reason because people don't think of themselves
- in terms of a unified lower class or middle class.
-
- It doesn't mean that there isn't prejudice, only that
- there could be other factors as well.
-
- --
- Charles Lin
- clin@eng.umd.edu
-