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- From: mason@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Mason)
- Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
- Message-ID: <1992Nov19.171402.14329@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>
- Organization: NASA/MSFC
- References: <6422.2B0603BE@umagic.FIDONET.ORG> <9V1auB2w161w@cdthq.UUCP> <1992Nov17.140522.28537@b11.b11.ingr.com> <1992Nov17.163716.7745@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> <1992Nov18.195617.18988@infonode.ingr.com>
- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:14:02 GMT
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- puttk@infonode.ingr.com (Ken Putt) writes:
- >mason@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Mason) writes:
- >>"Fundamentalist christianity is NOT an acceptable way of life simply
-
- >Your choice of worship or even belief in worship has nothing to do with
- >behavior which so obviously goes against the very nature of procreation
- >of mankind. Apples and oranges.
-
- If this were indeed so OBVIOUS, then it begs the question why it's
- even included in the Bill of Rights. People were persecuted for
- centuries (and still are today) because of their religious beliefs.
- Just because YOU would not judge on the basis of religious persuasion
- does not mean that others would not gladly.
-
- > >The point is that it is silly to complain about gay/lesbian use of
- > >PACs....
-
- >Silly? I think not. Just an example of how people use PAC's (a powerful
- >tool for those with enough $$$) to further oftentimes detrimental
- >causes. Since that statement begs the question, "Detrimental to who?",
- >I answer: it depends on your point of view.
-
- My point exactly. I'm none too happy with the Moral Majority and their
- ilk, but I don't go around slamming them BECAUSE they form PACs. I
- support their ability to advance their agenda in this manner, though I
- completely disagree with the substance of that agenda.
-
- >>>It is and always will be an unnatural type
- >>>of behavior that merits our attention...not to accept it but to try to
- >>>correct it in a civilized and logical way.
-
- >>It is the question of the first person plural which is cause for concern.
- >>When you say homosexuality "merits our attention" because we must "try to
- >>correct it," who is it that should perform the "correction?" Who will
- >>establish what "correct" is? The government?
-
- >"We" obviously refers to our society. Correction should follow the lines
- >of halting and treating other unnatural behavior. But then there are some,
- >as obviously you are aware, who believe that any activity that can be
- >imagined is "natural" and should not be disturbed. Sorry, I disagree.
-
- So "we" will determine what is "natural" by way of vote? Lots of
- things are unnatural. Left-handedness is unnatural. People tried for
- YEARS to change left-handed people (supposedly influenced by the devil)
- into right-handed people. Surgery is unnatural (in the middle ages,
- one could be put to death for the sin of cutting into the temple of
- the body). Or are you saying that only those things which you find
- offensive should have the unnatural label applied?
-
- But further then, are rights something that can be decided by vote?
- Can 51% of the population vote to not recognize the rights of the
- other 49%? Can 90% take away the rights of 10%. Bottom line: are
- rights fundamental, or are they a privilege, which can be removed
- with simple majority vote?
-
- >> What kind of correction need be applied? Shock treatments? Indoctrination
- >> centres? Prison camps?
-
- >I see you forgot the "civilized and logical" portion of my message. There is
- >excellent help for those with emotional problems. It's application can range
- >from voluntary for those who recognize they need help to mandatory for those
- >who break laws, whether your condition compels you to beat your wife and
- >kids or stand on the street corner and expose yourself.
-
- Your implication is, I assume, that being gay or lesbian is an emotional
- problem. Not everyone agrees. It might be enlightening if you would
- provide us with your definition of "emotional problem."
-
- If I assert that some people's obsessive concern with the manifestation
- of sexual diversity, which often boarders on paranoia, is a psychological
- problem, shall we submit those individuals to "civilized and logical"
- treatment?
-
- -Jim
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