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- From: mason@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Mason)
- Subject: Re: Presidential talk
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.215831.7212@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>
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- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:58:31 GMT
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- lhughes@b11.b11.ingr.com (Lawrence Hughes) writes:
-
- >In my view, the tax laws are not part of the "social contract" between an
- >individual and the state. I never agreed (nor would I ever agree) to let them
- >steal such a large percentage of my income for such ignoble purposes. They
- >are able to do this ONLY because they possess (for now) superior armament.
- >Again, I am much in the same position as anyone that is the victim of a
- >protection racket - if I don't pay taxes, they will come rearrange my face.
- >Some "voluntary contract".
-
- > [...]
-
- > My only point was that I can't think of any convincing or logical
- > argument that could differentiate tax treatment of DINKs and
- > homosexual couples. Where we differ is that I think that conventional
- > (here I mean one parent of each sex with one or more offspring of the
- > parents) marriages should get preferential treatment compared to
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- > either. On the other hand, I really do personally disapprove of
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-
- I was under the impression that libertarians don't advocate use of the
- GOVERNMENT to encourage, give preferential treatment to, or discourage
- activities which involve individual autonomy, such as when (or whether)
- to have children.
-
- The power to tax is the power to destroy. I find it inconsistent that
- a self-avowed libertarian would advocate governmental involvement to
- advance a certain social agenda.
-
- But thanks for pointing out that, indeed, heterosexuals do enjoy
- PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT. One of the shreweder things that opponents of
- gays and lesbians have done is to say that gays and lesbians are
- trying to get SPECIAL RIGHTS, when in reality we are trying to achieve
- parity.
-
- > homosexual marriages, and most especially of extending tax breaks to
- > them that are intended to foster conventional reproduction and
- > continuation of our species.
-
- One assumption in your argument is that increased production of
- children will increase chances of continuation of the species.
- Considering the positive population growth we now "enjoy", it will
- only be a matter of time before the finite resources are exhausted,
- and renewable resources will reach a state where they cannot be
- replenished at a rate sufficient to keep up with demand. If THIS is
- true, then using your premise (that we should use the government to
- ensure continuation of the species), we should PENALIZE breeders, and
- reward those who are childless (sorta like what's already having to
- happen in China).
-
- Would you be willing to have the government PENALIZE you for
- preservation of the species, or does that as a legitimate function of
- government only apply when you are not among those being penalized?
- As well, there are also many other things that help preserve the
- species (for example, education). I didn't think that the LP (or
- libertarians in general) advocated government involvement in any
- of these areas.
-
- >Sorry, I still consider homosexual proclivity to be a larger departure from
- >acceptable behaviour than enjoying "far side", or having political opinions
- >past the 4th standard deviation. In particular, I feel that choosing such a
- >lifestyle inherently disqualifies one from participation in the raising of
- >children, or in tax benefits designed to encourage such activity.
-
- Though it has been said many times, and I'm sure it will be said
- again, sexual orientation is not chosen. That is not uniquely a gay
- or lesbian position; after all, did you CHOOSE to be HET? While I
- think most people could masquerade as heterosexual, if they were gay,
- or pretend to be gay even if they were not, such pretense would not be
- enjoyable or satisfying. Given the choice, people will eventually act
- on the orientation which is innate to them, be it gay or het.
-
- -Jim
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