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- From: lancelot@spock.uucp (Thor Lancelot Simon)
- Subject: Re: Slow writes to Ultrix 4.3 NFS server
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.174533.16029@spock.UUCP>
- Keywords: NFS server performance
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- References: <leb.721702653@Hypatia> <Bxos0B.GqM@news.iastate.edu> <leb.721782917@Hypatia>
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:45:33 GMT
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- In article <leb.721782917@Hypatia> leb@Hypatia.gsfc.nasa.gov (Lee E. Brotzman) writes:
- >john@iastate.edu (John Hascall) writes:
- >>leb@Hypatia.gsfc.nasa.gov (Lee E. Brotzman) writes:
- >>}I manage an SGI 4D/340 running IRIX 4.0.1 and a DECstation 5000/125 running
- >>}Ultrix 4.3.
- >>Anyway, several vendors' NFS servers mis-implement the standard (on purpose).
- >>The NFS standard requires that writes be done "synchronously". Some vendors
- >>allow you to set an option which makes NFS writes be done "asynchronously"
- >...
- >> *** SGI ships their systems with ASYNCH as the DEFAULT ***
- >>If you run asynch-writes (and we have modified our DEC servers to do this) and
- >>you don't have them on a UPS you are running a massive risk.
- >
- >Our SGI box is on an uninterruptable power supply, but the DECstation isn't
- >(it's in my office). However we take electrical power seriously here at NASA,
- >and we haven't had any major or even minor problems in our building since they
- >finished some construction and totally replaced and upgraded our building power
- >supplies. It is not uncommon to have our computers up for months or even years
- >between reboots, and then it's usually because of scheduled maintenance
- >downtimes, not power problems.
- >
- >>The "safe" option to make your Ultrix boxes faster is to buy PrestoServe
- >>for your NFS servers.
- >
- >Ahh. The usual DEC solution is to charge their customers with add-on products
- >that amend the original deficiencies. We have been bitten the same way with
- >our lousy tape device drivers for our VAX/VMS machines.
-
- I've not exaactly got a reputation as a defender of the One True DEC Faith, so
- I think I'm fairly safe in saying that this is unfair. PrestoServe is a fine
- product, and a much better solution (and most likely gives you better
- performance, too...) than asynch-NFS; not offering asynch NFS as a kernel
- option is a mistake, but DEC have posted unofficial, modified NFS object files
- for most versions of Ultrix that _do_ provide it. Having asynch NFS turned ON
- by default, as SGI does, is irresponsible and dangerous, IMHO. PrestoServe is
- a product that greatly increases NFS performance _without_ the hazard involved
- in asynch NFS, and it's a good one. If it costs too much, fine. Just don't
- blame DEC for offering it!
-
- Synch NFS is not a 'deficiency'. Sun ship it, too. Whether your installation
- wants to trade safety for speed is an issue that should only be decided ONE
- way when the OS is shipped -- for safety. Remember, power's not the only issue,
- unless you can honestly say you've seen a UNIX kernel that never panics...
-
- That said, I do with DEC were more reasonable about configurabiliy of their
- kernel, but hey, I object to any situation in which it's absurdly difficult/
- expensive to get kernel source. DEC aren't at the front of the pack, but they
- aren't at the back of it, either. This isn't VMS we're talking about here.
-
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