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- From: skrenta@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Rich Skrenta)
- Subject: Re: Email header problems on SVR4.
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.163903.26405@news.acns.nwu.edu>
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- Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
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- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:39:03 GMT
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- les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
- > Smail does each step internally so it can be much more efficient at the
- > recursion.
-
- My list of priorities puts efficiency last:
-
- 1. Is it capable of doing the transformations I want?
- 2. Easy to configure
- 3. Efficient
-
- In other words, it must be possible, somehow, to get the mailer to
- do what I want. It would be nice if getting it to do so is relatively
- easy. I know some admins who are terrified of editing their sendmail.cf's
- for fear it will break their whole mail system. Sendmail satisfies #1,
- but is poor for most people for #2.
-
- upas doesn't fork for each rewrite, BTW. I bet my mailer is done
- with local delivery before smail3 has finished paging in. Down with
- monolithic megabyte executables with 10 links! :-)
-
- Of course, huge sites like rutgers.edu and uunet have a different
- set of priorities:
-
- 1. Efficient
- 2. Able to do the required transformations
- 3. Easy to configure
-
- I don't claim that upas-style mailers are industrial-strength.
- (Although usl.com processes at least 10k message/day with it).
-
- They are remarkably flexible and easy to configure, however.
-
- For example:
-
- > > Map all mail for foo.com to bar.com:
- >
- > An appropriate "paths" entry.
-
- I can add a paths file with one line:
-
- alias '(?*)@([^@]+)' 'sed -n -e "s/^\2[ \t]*//p" /usr/lib/paths'
-
- > > Make mail for bozo deliver locally instead
- >
- > Can't be done - smail never looks at the local part of the address
- > unless the host portion resolves to the local machine. (1)
-
- I'd be surprised if this was true. I want to hide hosts behind
- a mail hub all the time. What if your paths file mapped mail for
- bozo onto the localhost?
-
- I remember seeing someone over in comp.mail.sendmail asking
- if he could customize his bounce messages, and have a copy of
- the bounced mail saved. This is the sort of thing that is trivial
- to do in R4 mail, but nearly impossible in other mailers unless the
- capability has been directly supported.
-
- For example, I have different bounce messages and behaviors for
- "unknown local user" vs. "no such host in this domain".
-
- > Suppose a
- > list expands to 100 aliases. How many external programs will the
- > r4 mailer have to run to resolve the real user names and the paths to
- > their hosts, and can it perform the delivery by grouping the expanded
- > addresses by the "next-hop" sites instead of generating a copy per
- > address?
-
- You are right, the R4 mailer is weak in this area. But this problem
- is easy to work around for mailing lists on leaf sites. I ran a list
- of 150 or so addresses just fine under R4.
-
- I even got the admin for my feed to stick a short "zrmail" script
- into /usr/bin:
-
- #!/bin/sh
- uncompress | rmail $*
-
- so I could send compressed mail.
-
- deliver 'host!(?*)' 'compress | rmail - -r host!rmail (\1)'
- deliver '([^!]+)!(?*)' 'rmail - -r \1!rmail (\2)'
-
- A one line change to my config file to add compressed mail!
-
- I'll admit that smail3 is probably better in many ways. But being
- able to wire in new capabilities like fake hosts, new lookup
- mechanisms and transports in seconds without looking at a manual
- is just great.
-
- --
- Rich Skrenta
-