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- From: veit@du9ds3.fb9dv.uni-duisburg.de (Holger Veit)
- Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
- Subject: Re: XFree86 problems (keyboard hangs overnight)
- Date: 16 Nov 92 08:05:27 GMT
- Organization: Uni-Duisburg FB9 Datenverarbeitung
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- Message-ID: <veit.721901127@du9ds3>
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- In <STARK.92Nov14094333@sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu> stark@cs.sunysb.edu (Gene Stark) writes:
-
- [...]
- >>I am becoming quite tired now to to say that all of this is covered by "codrv".
- >>Get the keycap-0.1.1.tar.Z stuff from ftp.uni-duisburg.de (134.91.100.14).
- >>Read README*, FAQ.ddmmyy, and BUGLIST.ddmmyy there.
- >>
- >>Holger
-
- >I wasn't aware of this before the recent flurry of postings -- thank you.
- >I did in fact ftp your package (from ref.tfs.com) a few days ago and read the
- >stuff you suggest. I thank you for making this available, but in view of the
- >fact that it is still incomplete (according to the documentation) and appears
- >at first glance to be a significant deviation from the stock system and
- >patches, and a corresponding hassle to install (and to back out changes if
- >something goes wrong), I decided that I probably don't want to install your
- >driver at this juncture.
-
- "Incomplete" is quite a relative term. It is not incomplete in that it misses
- essential things or will crash often (although "essential" is relative as well).
- Some hints what you might expect in future releases:
- - virtual terminal screens
- - different text resolutions
- - more utilities, e.g. to capture fonts and convert keymaps from xmodmap
- - ??? ;-)
-
- Codrv is indeed a new package, which is, like other software (see buglist.0.9),
- not directly integrated into the patchkit line. But as I said, if you
- omit the "pccons" related fixes of the patchkit that come along some time,
- there are no problems with codrv, in contrast to ports and modifications,
- which are based on "pccons". There is a tradeoff between new features and
- portability. However, I must admit, that the way of installation, that is
- used now in keycap, is not very user friendly. This marks a general problem
- with the patchkit: It must be maintained from a central side. I currently
- have about 50-60 patches pending, which are not yet covered by the patchkit,
- some of them are important in my area, one is included in the keycap-kit.
- Should I wait forever until the fixes will flow into the patchkit?
-
- >Before I started running X386, I was using a version of keycap that came with
- >a console driver posted by Hellmuth Michaelis. The key mapping was very nice,
- >but I wasn't happy with the console driver, which tended to crash my system.
-
- >When X386 came out, and Terry's patchkit, I went back to the stock console
- >driver with patches applied. I am currently very reluctant to install a large
- >console driver with lots of bells and whistles, when I use XFree86 almost all
- >the time. I would rather have some small, reliable patches to make the bell
- >and keyboard lights work than a whole big thing with a lot of baggage I don't
- >have any use for.
-
- > - Gene Stark
-
- It may be that the incompatibility problem between existing software and
- the VT100 ESC sequences of hm's vgadrv is still in it. I myself didn't
- succeed in crashing the system with codrv yet.
-
- The idea of codrv was the avoidance of these "small, reliable patches".
- Natural growth of software was rarely a good base of software development.
- You might not need keyboard overloading, others might, you may require
- bell and keyboard fixes, others do not, but they might want to have other
- "bells and whistles". So how would you find an integration platform (I
- guess you won't, or at least haven't thought about it yet)? Codrv is
- a product for the future, not for current restricted requirements. This is
- why it has been marked "incomplete".
-
- Holger
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