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- From: jgk@osc.COM (Joe Keane)
- Newsgroups: comp.theory
- Subject: Re: Cryptography and P=NP
- Summary: I'd bet that P=NP.
- Keywords: complexity
- Message-ID: <5856@osc.COM>
- Date: 19 Nov 92 03:16:04 GMT
- References: <PHR.92Nov15215202@napa.telebit.com> <1992Nov15.110945.19939@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> <15115@ember.UUCP> <Nov.16.16.59.47.1992.6436@remus.rutgers.edu>
- Reply-To: Joe Keane <jgk@osc.com>
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- In article <Nov.16.03.59.05.1992.2368@remus.rutgers.edu>
- clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
- >Anyone who believes P=NP is an idiot.
-
- Well, count me in.
-
- In article <Nov.16.16.59.47.1992.6436@remus.rutgers.edu>
- clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
- >Sure, but P=NP and P<>NP are certainly not equally likely. The a priori
- >evidence that P<>NP is *overwhelming*;
-
- What evidence?! What we have is literally hundreds of problems that occur
- naturally in a wide variety of subjects. We've proven that these problems are
- all equivalent to each other (or maybe harder in some cases). If anything,
- this makes it more likely that they're all in P than if they were independent.
-
- For evidence, all i want is someone to show me *one* problem with a good
- argument why it's likely to be in NP\P. I don't care if the problem occurs
- naturally or it's totally contrived. So far i've not seen anything like this.
-
- >to claim that P=NP has a chance of being true is worse than claiming that
- >there is a chance of only a finite number of twin primes existing. Both are
- >unproven, but there are *very* strong reasons for believing them to be true.
-
- No way; i think that the twin primes conjecture is very safe. Most arguments
- from the P!=NP folks seem pretty lame, usually something like ``Well, if P=NP,
- it seems very weird to us, and we'd have to re-think a lot of stuff.''
-
- >So strong that anyone who believes otherwise must be either ignorant or a
- >crackpot.
-
- I'll take `crackpot', thanks.
-
- In article <PHR.92Nov15215202@napa.telebit.com> phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
- writes:
- >Most theorists think P!=NP, but some very sharp mathematicians think
- >factoring is in P.
-
- This is an interesting example. It's probably the simplest problem you can
- describe where it seems very hard to find a solution, but once found it's easy
- for anyone to verify. Note that for a long time the best factoring algorithms
- ran in exponential time.
-
- I think it's likely that we can factor in polynomial time, although i won't
- try to defend this either. Anyway, i doubt that anyone's close to proving
- that it's impossible, which would prove that P!=NP. Of course finding a
- polynomial factoring algorithm wouldn't prove that P=NP. But it's some
- interesting evidence that things may not be as hard as they seem.
-
- --
- Joe Keane, amateur mathematician
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