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- From: bjoerns@stud.cs.uit.no (Bjoern Stabell)
- Subject: Re: Why doesn't the hpterm have resizable text?
- References: <TT.92Nov17083124@tarzan.jyu.fi>
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- Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:32:31 GMT
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- Tapani Tarvainen (tt@tarzan.jyu.fi) wrote:
- ] In article <1992Nov16.183655.14131@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Marc Roussel) writes:
- ]
- ] > Perhaps I'm missing the point of this discussion but why aren't you
- ] >people just using the real xterm? As far as I can tell
- ]
- ] > a) hpterm doesn't do anything xterm doesn't.
- ]
- ] * National language support: even though the 8.0 xterm finally
- ] supports 8-bit characters it still doesn't work right with non-US
- ] keyboards ... (OK, I presume that's been patched by now, after
- ] everybody's gotten used to hpterm); when I occasionally need national
- ] 7-bit characters hpterm supports them easily, in xterm I need a hacked
- ] font (and 16-bit character support for xterm isn't even planned as far
- ] as I know).
-
- Only thing I can think of using NLS for would be catalogues. And it would
- be a small fix to enable this for XTerm too.
-
- Another gripe with HPterm is that it seems to hinder you from using a font
- with a different encoding than roman8 (yes I know about the *roman8
- resource, it's kludgy), maybe this is a feature with Motif, I'm not sure.
- Why does it care about the encoding?
-
- Also, hpterm let's you specify a keyboard language. Well, it's nice but
- shouldn't this kind of behaviour be in the X server? xkeycaps and xmodmap
- does everything I need. (i.e. I can switch between a norwegian keyboard
- and an american by pressing a key (runs xmodmap on a file generated by
- xkeycaps), and it works for all applications).
-
- HPterm has mouseblanking. Same argument as above, it shouldn't be on a
- client-basis, it should be for the entire display. So, get 'unclutter', it
- does mouseblanking in all windows (but let's you specify windows you don't
- want mouseblanking in).
-
- ] * Softkey support (very nice in certain HP's programs). Also, some
- ] HP programs don't understand arrow keys in xterm but do in hpterm
- ] (like elm -- yes, I know, I could junk HP's elm and get the PD one).
-
- PD version is years ahead of the HP one. Also, I think HP are teaching
- their programs the ANSI VT100 codes now. (For instance - according to
- someone on this group, don't remember who, xdb will from 9.0 offer a proper
- curses environment in xterm, like when you run it in hpterm)
-
- ] * I like the ability to scroll past pages with Prev/Next/arrow keys:
- ] I find it much easier than using the scrollbar.
-
- Here are my XTerm translations, they do what you want (plus fix to a 'might
- a be bug', the Home key didn't output the right escape sequence):
-
- XTerm.vt100.translations: #override \
- <Key>Home : string("^[[H") \n\
- ~Shift<Key>Prior : scroll-back(1,halfpage) \n\
- ~Shift<Key>Next : scroll-forw(1,halfpage) \n\
- Shift<Key>Prior : string("^[[5~") \n\
- Shift<Key>Next : string("^[[6~")
-
- Replace ^[ with ESC. You have the normal Next/Prior behaviour on
- Shift+Next/Prior.
-
- ] > b) xterm does many things that hpterm doesn't.
- ]
- ] True enough. Alas, you can't have everything.
- ] So, I use both according to the task at hand.
-
- I agree, the perfect terminal emulator is yet to be discovered. :)
-
- For me, there are five reasons why I use XTerm and not HPterm:
-
- - It's billions and billions times faster.
- - the scrolling is much faster
- - the executable is 4 times smaller than hpterm
- (8 times with our MIT xterm)
-
- - XTerm let's you change the font any time. All the fonts are
- customizable (I believe someone said they were hardcoded) by
- using the *font[123456] resources.
-
- - XTerm has *scrollTtyOutput and *scrollTtyInput.
-
- - XTerm doesn't clutter with your encoding/keycodes. (hpterm has
- a roman8 resource, which let's you have iso8859-1 or roman8
- encoding, but nothing more)
-
- - I can get the source to XTerm. :)
-
-
- Kind regards,
- --
- Bj°rn Stabell
- University of Troms°
- (+47) 83 44 053 / 83 75 164
- bjoerns@staff.cs.uit.n
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