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- From: raist@rmece02.upr.clu.edu (Ricardo Hernandez)
- Subject: Re: this bus thing....
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- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:33:25 GMT
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- In article <BxvMrI.Eu@rahul.net>, wilsont@rahul.net (Timothy Wilson) writes:
- |> First of all, How does a bus work?
- |>
- |> second, 16 bits on a memory 'bus' would seem (to me) that it could
- |> only adress 64k. but it can adress 16megs.. or 24bits.
-
- Nope, that would be the "address bus", not the "data bus"
-
- |> would the chip send 2 bytes out in two cycles to complete an adress?
- |> thats screwy.
-
- Somethings among those lines...
-
- |>
- |> You can add TT ram to the falcon (32 bit ram) (or so says AtariUser)
-
- I understand that the TT also has a 16-bit data bus... someone stated
- that a while ago... I am not sure about that, but since the Falcon in
- some benchmarks (posted here somewhere) was about 50% as fast as the TT,
- sounds logical to me...
-
- |> third: Atari docs state full 32bits, it would be crime to lie about something
- |> like that.
- |> (of course, big corps can get away with that stuff.)
-
- Yep. I remember when Apple said that their Mac used a 32-bit CPU
- (68000).
-
- |>
- |> could it be that the PDS slot could be confused with another bus?
- |> the pds is 16/24 68000 compatible. (according to my mags)
- |> its definately not 32bits
- |> and, its something dave small would be 'into' since he's mr. mac emulation
- |> (the primary purpose of the PDS slot)
-
- Could be...
-
- |> could a 16bit adress bus be 4-5x faster than an ST?
-
- Could be...
-
- |> what was the ST bus like?
- |> was it 16? 24?
-
- The data bus I guess would be 16-bits. 68000 data bus is 16-bits.
-
- |> why would atari have a dsp/videl and other 'cool' stuff in the falcon, but
- |> then intentionally screw the cpu?
- |> i would figure its not any cheaper to have 16bit busses...
- |>
- |> just my observations.
- |>
- Well, it actually reduces cost and makes the machine easier to implement.
- Still, the 68030 has some benefits (MMU, internal cache), although I agree
- that looks a little crippled in the Falcon (like on the Mac LC-II).
-
- Some notes:
-
- Adress bus: where adresses are specified to access memory locations.
- This means how much memory can you access without bank switching.
- For example, a 6502 has a 16 bit address bus meaning it can access
- 64k. A 68000 has 24-bits so it can access 16 megs.
-
- Data bus: where instructions/data are read/written from/to memory
- locations.
-
- |>
- |> --
- |> Timothy Wilson <wilsont@rahul.net>
-
- - Raist
-
-