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- From: bj@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Jackson - Amiga Networking)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
- Subject: Re: Attn Commodore: You are making a Big Mistake (Hardware Manual)
- Message-ID: <37190@cbmvax.commodore.com>
- Date: 21 Nov 92 00:26:37 GMT
- References: <1992Nov12.000037.27562@wuecl.wustl.edu> <1992Nov13.221116.15921@ariel.ec.usf.edu> <1992Nov18.124549.12281@ifi.uio.no> <1992Nov18.225947.5840@beaver.cs.washington.edu> <1992Nov19.154759.12082@ifi.uio.no>
- Reply-To: bj@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Jackson - Amiga Networking)
- Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA
- Lines: 64
- Keywords: hardware reference manual
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- In article <1992Nov19.154759.12082@ifi.uio.no> stigo@ifi.uio.no (Stig Arne Olsen) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov18.225947.5840@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, wille@june.cs.washington.edu (Robert Wille) writes:
- >> ... someone (I forgot who) from C= stated that people working
- >> on OS's would be able to hardware docs. Just because there isn't a
-
- >Well, so they think it's better that SOME get the hardware ref., but not
- >all? That SUCKS!
-
- Hey. Commodore makes the chips, Commodore makes the machines,
- Commodore writes the docs, Commodore pays the engineers and Commodore
- decides what does and does not get released to the public.
-
- We did it your way up til now and it created FAR more problems for
- engineering, users and developers than it was worth. So, this time,
- we're doing it differently. If, in your view, that "SUCKS!" then so
- be it. The fact is that "demo coders", while creating 'neato' things
- to look at, do little or nothing for sales and they create an entire
- generation of Amiga programmers that have failed to learn how to do it
- right. The result is application software (you know, the stuff that
- people pay MONEY for and expect to work on new machines) that is chock
- full of silly, pointless coding errors and, often, _slower_ code than
- if it had been coded properly from the start.
-
- >> hardware reference guide doesn't mean that documentation on the hardware
- >> doesn't exist. According to the previously mentioned article, people who
- >
- >I never said that the documentation did not exist, the whole discussion
- >here is whether it should be made available to the public or not.
- >I imagine it's pretty hard to design new chips without documenting how
- >they work :-)
-
- No. A discussion is where people _discuss_ a topic. What we have here
- is people _demanding_ something and then complaining like children
- when they are told "no".
-
- >> have a *legitimate* reason (creating the best-ever demo doesn't qualify
- >> as a legitimate reason) for needing docs on the hardware will be able
- >> to get them. I don't know if the Linux group will be able to get
- >> documentation or not, but I hope so and it isn't too unreasonable that
- >> they will.
-
- >I doubt it. Linux is not a commercial product, so it wouldn't surprise me
- >a bit if C= wouldn't release it to them. I also remember one time that
- >someone wanted to include some CLI-commands in their public-domain work,
- >this was something _everybody_ already had, and would only make it more
- >easy to install the utility (forgive me for not remembering the exact
- >program),but Commodore refused. I have no reason to think they have
- >become more easy to deal with now.
-
- Please don't spread such bogus mythology. Anyone with an application that
- requires any/all of the Workbench files on their distribution can
- acquire a Workbench license for a _small_ fee and have at it. Matt
- Dillon's DICE (registered version) comes with this. No big deal.
-
- There is nothing whatsoever "hard to deal with" with that.
-
- >> Robert
-
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