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- From: bjst@sth.frontec.se (Bjorn Stenberg)
- Subject: Re: New hardware reference guide?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.132246.528@sth.frontec.se>
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- Organization: IDK/Frontec - System Design Group
- References: <1992Nov15.104025.10090@sth.frontec.se> <1992Nov16.130752.18379@imada.ou.dk>
- Date: 20 Nov 92 13:22:46 GMT
- Lines: 77
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- breese@monet.imada.ou.dk (Bjoern Reese) writes:
- > Well, the Hardware
- > Ref Guide was partly unusable, and besides only a minority of
- > the upcomming coders had a copy, but did that stop them? NO!
- > My prediction is that it will not stop them either, if C=
- > doesn't release a new Hardware Ref Guide, featuring the AGA
- > chips.
-
- I don't know ANYTHING about hacking the AGA hardware. Do you?
- I doubt very many people will ever know, and the amount of (seka:-) source
- code available doing that will be veeery small.
-
- This time, hackers will not have an option. If they want to use the new
- and fancy AGA chip set, there's only one way to go. If they want to keep
- hacking hardware, there's only ECS to use.
-
- I agree with you that old-style hackers will (are already) complain(ing), but
- that's not an argument. This is *GOOD* for the Amiga.
-
- Also, the 'demo scene' is biggest in northern Europe, therefore 'we' get to
- hear lots more complaining hackers than the US folks do.
-
- > As the AGA chips are made available in low-price
- > machines, and hence available to new upcomming coders, there
- > will a massive interest in how to program the chips, and
- > with or without a Guide, they will try.
-
- ...and fail, and give up.
- They will propably never get it working 100%, and therefore most hackers are
- likely to use the supported OS routines.
-
- > So I say, it is better
- > to release a new Guide, in order to set guidelines and to
- > prevent fatal errors.
-
- The old hardware guide/ref was to enable people to program the hardware
- correctly. This new hardware has no other correct way of programming it than
- the OS routines, thus there is no hardware guide.
-
- This new hardware is much more advanced than the old. If people made THAT many
- mistakes with the 'easy' hardware, how much shit wouldn't we get if we put
- this new hardware in their hands?
-
- > Also, I think this discussion is biased. Most of the people
- > on Internet are students at college or university level, or
- > employees at a commercial company. This kind of people are
- > well educated in programming, and if some of them were raised
- > in the demo scene, they most likely have converted (like me.)
- > Even though we are Amiga users, I don't think that we
- > represent a very wide variety of the common Amiga users.
-
- We don't know CBM wants to target on the wide masses of quiet users playing
- games and demos either, do we? I'd say the posters of these newsgroups pretty
- much represents the kind of fairly educated users *I* would have as target if
- I were running a computer company.
-
- As many people have said, the 'lowlifes' wanting only hot games and cool
- hardware are likely to convert to game consoles as these are getting better
- and better.
-
- The "fairly educated" people who appreciate the AWESOME system software
- shipped with the Amiga, along with it's hardware capacities, are IMHO a much
- more 'loyal' group of users than those nagging about new hardware "or I'll
- buy myself a cheap PC clone". (Not directed to you!)
-
- > I am not complaining, just trying to set things in perspective.
-
- You do succeed. But is it the same perpective CBM has? What perspective
- *DO* they have?
-
- Can't we have a link into CBM Marketing? :-)
-
- -- Bjorn
-
- /// Bjorn Stenberg, Stockholm, Sweden bjst@sth.frontec.se
- /// main() { printf(&unix["\021%six\012\0"],(unix)["have"]+"fun"-0x60);}
- \\\ /// "- Your documentation no longer confuses me, old version!"
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