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- From: /G=Owen/S=Smith/O=SJ-Research/ADMD=INTERSPAN/C=GB/@mhs-relay.ac.uk
- Subject: Re: Removable mass storage (Syquest,Flopticals...)
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- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:09:37 GMT
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- dcw-a@minster.york.ac.uk wrote:
-
- >Well, according to _Archimedes World_ none of the floptical drives available
- >for the arc at this time can cope with normal magnetic media. Bit of a
- >bummer really. Although I must admit the source of this information isn't
- >exactly famous for accuracy...
-
- I believe that the actual problem is that early flopticals can't handle
- disks with sector id's of 0 on them. DOS disks number sectors from 1
- upwards, RISC OS disks number from 0 upwards. The firmware in the flopticals
- can't handle this. The number of sectors per track and densities is not a
- problem I believe (except the flopticals can't handle octuple density ie.
- 2.88 MB). The firmware should have been fixed by now, but anyone buying a
- drive should check carefully before buying as companies may be shifting old
- stock. (On the other hand if you don't care and the old ones are cheaper,
- fine.) Remember, this is new and not particularly popular technology. Check
- out availability of disks (from standard PC suppliers not Acorn scene
- advertisers) as a review I read a few months ago in some PC magazine said
- that getting hold of disks was harder than they would have hoped.
-
- Syquests are older and more known technology, but their SCSI implementation
- has caused problems so make sure that your SCSI card supplier gaurantees
- that Syquests work with it. The most important thing is not to try anything
- ambitious. Don't spin them down/up in software, and whatever you do don't do
- a SCSI disconnect to it. For the Acorn SCSI card I believe you need the
- recent upgrade ROM which includes CDFS, or you need to broddle the
- disconnects with a SCSI_Op SWI (or use the *disconnect command in Brian
- Brunswick's TapeFS).
-
- 128MB Magneto Opticals are somewhere inbetween. They're older and more
- popular than flopticals, but they're still new enough to be going through
- teething problems. The biggest hassle at the moment seems to be
- incompatibilities between different manufacturers drives and disks. My
- advice at the moment is to only buy disks from the same manufacturer as the
- drive, even if the drive manufacturer recommends someone else's disks. Again
- check disk availability. Media sellers seem to be pushing Panasonic and
- Verbatim, so finding eg. IBM disks could be hard (and cost more). Another
- thing to note is there are various different speeds of drives around. Faster
- ones cost more.
-
- A problem with all of these types of media is that they are effectively
- removable hard discs, which you have to be careful with on RISC OS. You
- should always Dismount the disks before taking them out of the drive. Indeed
- with the Acorn SCSI/CDFS and motorised eject drives, you can't take the disk
- out without dismounting as the drive is locked in software to prevent
- FileCore getting upset. RISC OS 3 FileCore can handle the concept of
- removable hard disks, but you need a SCSIFS that tells FileCore that it
- should expect this and I don't think anyone's SCSIFS has caught up with this
- yet.
-
- Personally, I'd put my money in a 128MB MO drive. Syquests are old hat, and
- the disk cartridges are physically very big considering the data capacity
- (40 or 80MB). Flopticals are too new and too unpopular for my liking - the
- PC world seems to be ignoring them. They're also slow compared to Syquest or
- MO, plus 20MB capacity doesn't feel like enough to me. The MOs are fast, the
- capacity is nicely huge, the disks are physically 3.5 inch, and they're
- rapidly gaining in popularity in the PC market. Plus you can put the 3.5
- inch CD-ROMs in the 128MB MO drives (the 3.5 inch CD-ROMs are used in
- Panasonic and Sony active book type thingies). Whether CDFS can read these
- things is a different question, but once the drives and discs become popular
- someone will do the software. There's even a standard for a 3.5 inch CD-ROM
- with a 5MB(ish) re-writable area on them.
-
- Owen.
-