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- From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
- Newsgroups: comp.std.c
- Subject: Re: Must an object remain in place? (was: fwrite+fread of pointer)
- Message-ID: <7951@charon.cwi.nl>
- Date: 20 Nov 92 00:44:00 GMT
- References: <15977@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au> <1992Nov18.104542.8499@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> <1992Nov19.061601.13164@sq.sq.com>
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- In article <1992Nov19.061601.13164@sq.sq.com> msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes:
- > The desire to not break this code is a fairly strong argument that
- > objects should not be movable at all. You might argue that maybe
- > it would be safe to allow movement only in special circumstances, like
- > when malloc() is called -- but when what if the comparison function
- > is not the simple pstrcmp() but something complicated that itself
- > calls malloc()?
- >
- > But even if this argument is accepted, it only conveys intent. As to
- > the actual wording of the standard requiring objects not to move, the
- > best I can come up with is the thing I already quoted: section 1.6/3.14,
- > where an object is defined as *a* region of data storage. My inter-
- > pretation is that the singular wording implies one particular region
- > for the life of the object, not merely one at a time.
-
- Well, examine the *as if* rule. I think a run-time system is able to
- move data under the proviso that it is able to identify all pointers
- and update them accordingly; even if they are stored in non-pointer type
- variables. (I know of one Algol 68 garbage collector that did just that,
- but it cheated. On a tagged architecture it would certainly be possible.)
- The questions answered are different from the question what happens if you
- write a pointer to file and read it back in. Let us rephrase:
-
- sometype *p = something;
- char save_p[sizeof(p)];
-
- (void)memcpy((void *)save_p, (void *)&p, sizeof(p));
- ... many things happen here, except that all references to
- something are still valid, whether something is moved or not
- (void)memcpy((void *)&p, (void *)save_p, sizeof(p));
-
- Is it now guaranteed that 'p' still/again points to 'something'?
- What is the answer if 'save_p' was modified and changed back in between?
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