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- From: pdm@daimi.aau.dk (Peter D. Mosses)
- Subject: Re: Semantic definition style
- In-Reply-To: piotr@cs.UAlberta.CA (Piotr Rudnicki)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.085655.8721@daimi.aau.dk>
- Summary: OK, continuing
- Keywords: structural operational semantics, denotational semantics, nondeterminism
- Sender: pdm@daimi.aau.dk (Peter D. Mosses)
- Reply-To: pdm@daimi.aau.dk (Peter D. Mosses)
- Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark
- References: <720801988.16035@minster.york.ac.uk> <1992Nov11.195443.23006@cis.ohio-state.edu> <1992Nov13.084826.26088@daimi.aau.dk> <1992Nov18.010421.11712@cis.ohio-state.edu> <1992Nov18.083324.27725@daimi.aau.dk> <piotr.722190155@sedalia>
- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 08:56:55 GMT
- Lines: 65
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- In article <piotr.722190155@sedalia>, piotr@cs (Piotr Rudnicki) writes:
- >pdm@daimi.aau.dk (Peter D. Mosses) writes:
- >>[Perhaps we should continue this by e-mail, as it probably doesn't
- >>have sufficient general interest for comp.specification.]
- >
- >Continue here please.
- >
- >I am sure there are many people who want to see such discussions.
- >I am one of them.
- >
- >PR
- >--
- >Piotr (Peter) Rudnicki
-
- Many thanks for the encouragement! I also received several e-mail
- messages expressing similar views. I'll be happy to continue the
- discussion of semantics on comp.specification - and others should feel
- free to join in, of course... with questions, as well as opinions.
-
- Just let me add a bit of explanation, followed by a perhaps somewhat
- provocative statement.
-
- Some of you may be aware that I studied denotational semantics with
- Strachey in Oxford, developed a Semantics Implementation System (SIS)
- for denotational semantics, and more recently wrote a chapter on the
- approach for the Handbook of Theoretical Computer Science (ed. Jan van
- Leeuwen, Elsevier, 1990). You may be puzzled that I've been pointing
- out problems with the denotational approach, and advocating another,
- more operational approach, namely action semantics (references
- provided in an earlier message - mail me if you missed that one).
-
- Actually, I still think that denotational semantics is useful - but
- only for dealing with small-scale, unrealistic languages, of the kind
- often used as examples in textbooks on semantics. The main pragmatic
- problem is it doesn't seem to *scale-up* smoothly - not even as far as
- medium-scale languages like Standard Pascal. It becomes very heavy,
- rather like writing large (functional) programs without any
- modularity.
-
- I'd like to make a distinction: between the *concepts* underlying the
- usual denotational semantics of programming languages, and the
- *representation* of these concepts by higher-order functions on Scott
- domains. In my view, it's only the latter (together with the use of
- lambda-notation) that causes the pragmatic problems of denotational
- semantics. The concepts themselves, developed primarily by Strachey,
- Burstall, and Landin, are useful *whatever* semantic framework one
- uses! For example, the distinction between bindings and storage
- (symbol tables and memories, environments and states) is crucial for
- any sensible semantic description of passing parameters by reference.
- Action semantics provides straightforward notation for such concepts,
- rather than representing them all in terms of higher-order functions.
-
- Finally, to be a bit provocative :-) let me claim that if one is
- making a denotational semantics of a simple language, and wants to
- make the semantic equations independent of whether the model is in the
- direct or in the continuation-passing style (i.e., hiding
- information), one is *forced* to introduce auxiliary notation akin to
- action notation! Just contemplate the semantic equation for statement
- sequencing...
-
- --
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