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- Path: sparky!uunet!utcsri!torn!utzoo!telly!gvb
- From: gvb@telly.on.ca (George VandeBunte)
- Subject: Re: ZyXEL Caller-ID Problem
- Organization: Somewhere just far enough out of Toronto
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:55:24 GMT
- Message-ID: <2B0915ED.6111@telly.on.ca>
- Keywords: Caller-ID ZyXEL
- References: <1992Nov14.222154.10483@w8hd.org>
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- >I am a subscriber to Caller-ID here in Michigan Bell territory. I have
- >utilized this service on the 1A ESS switch that I am connected to since
-
- >During that time I have had limited problems with the service. In this
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- >Out of the box everything but Caller-ID worked just great.
- >.. I took my modem to another
- >friends house, and it worked. This friend is connected to the
- >SAME 1A ESS that serves me! Well, I guess its probably not the 1A ESS.
- >However, he is about 16,000 feet from the central office, I am about
- >11,000.
- >
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- >Through experimentation I discovered that a 2 MF non-polar cap in
- >series with a 2700 ohm resistor across tip and ring "loades" the
- >line sufficiently so that the ZyXEL will work.
- >
- >Some comments and questions:
- ...
- >2. I wonder what the Bell Core specification says about the level,
- > amount of distortion, etc. that a Caller-ID receiving device must
- > be able to tolerate?
- The bellcore tr tsy 3o document states that the interface should perform
- correctly for loops having the characteristcs of: loop resistance less
- than 1300 ohms, insertion loss @3k less than 14 db , total bridge
- tap length less than 6000 feet. The level is only spec-ed at
- 13.5 dbm at point of data application into a resistive load of 900
- ohms. (bear in mind the signal only has to go from the office to your
- phone). I don't know how you verify your bridge tap length is less
- than 6000 feet.
-
-
- >5. How do I measure this distortion so that I can assess wether it
- > is a MBT or ZyXEL problem (assuming that it is the problem)?
-
- I have a ZyXEL --works great with caller id here. I suggest the
- following:
- 1. Use the spiffy modem to record the signal from the phone company,
- both with and without your 'fix'.
- To do this connect a .2 ufd to 4 ufd non polarized cap from tip to
- the recording modem, so the modem can pick up the line with out
- really answering. I have had no problem getting a really good recording
- this way. (use the included ZFAX recording software-recording from telco
- line mode).
- Record the CID signal, with and without the gadget you have (should be
- about 20Kilobytes). To make sure your measuring equipment does not
- reduce the 'problem' also use your friend modem to make sure it doesn;t
- work.
-
- I suggest recording
- both the 2 bit and 3 bit voice mode.
-
- Next step is to analyse it. The best place to start is to find the
- 150 ms mark signal. Now mark is a 1200 hz signal and you are sampling
- at 9600 bits. so you can use a hex editor to locate the mark section.
- A clean mark signal should be 2 repetitive bytes in 2 bit sampling mode,
- and 3 repetive bytes in 3 bit mode (since 9600/1200 is 8).
- Another way would be to convert the file to say a soundblaster file and use
- an oscilloscope program to play-- however keeping it simple is not a bad idea.
- You should look for differences in the two cases.
-
-
-
- >6. Does anyone have any other suggestions as to how to correct this
- > problem?
- I have been coordination some of the caller id testing
- for zyxel -- or at least helping in Canada.
-
- I suggest after you do your analysis, beat up Bell, and get your
- money back ;-).,
- you could provide the two or 4
- files to ZyXEL.
- They could then use the recordings to possibly tweek the dsp algorithm
- if they figure they could improve it. I could do the introductions or ....
- I think this is a pretty neat way to gather data in the field.
-
- The company I work for, OCOMP, distributes the modems in Canada,
- and has managed the DOC approval cycle etc. If anyone in Canada
- needs a ZyXEL, or update etc check out our company.
- OCOMP 416 5341508
- gvb@telly.on.ca
-
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